Reddit Is Restricting Luigi Mangione Discourse—but It’s Even Weirder Than That
Reddit Is Restricting Luigi Mangione Discourse—but It’s Even Weirder Than That
The website is attacking the users that made it the front page of the internet.
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[email protected] restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian in a time when Russia is effectively trying destroy the west. At the same time, they're allowing rather blatant anti-west sentiment. And I'm not saying that that's fundamentally bad, but rather that there is no such thing as unbiased.
Reddit sure sucks and needs to die though. But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
[email protected] blocks Luigi posting https://lemmy.world/comment/15689396
But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
Its not murder, it's self defense. A mass murderer was stopped by Luigi, end of story.
The government has accused Luigi of stopping a mass murderer.
And somehow they've spun that as terrorism.
Hmm, I shit on Russia all the time every chance I get and as far as I know I was never warned about it, even on lemmy.ml
Did you do so in a community located on lemmy.ml? Try it, it should be fairly quick, and you'll be banned from communities that you've never even heard of, for violating a rule that is written down nowhere that I can find.
Or maybe after the election seasons, they might not be as quick these days? It might have accomplished its purpose already.
Great thing about Lemmy is that I can block all instances from lemmy.ml.
How do I block .ml results?
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click "Settings".
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says "Blocks".
Here you will see "Block user" "Block community" and "Block instance". Click the down arrow below "Block instance".
This will open up a search bar. Type "lemmy.ml" and click it after it shows up.
That's it! You've blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don't need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren't done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under "Block user". Now type "UltraGiGaGigantic" Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
So the Tankie Triad is:
- lemmy.ml
- hexbear
- lemmygrad.ml
Edit:
The trouble is that, as far as I know, there's currently no way as a user to block an entire instance. You can play whack-a-/C and block communities as you bump into them. The other option is to look for instances that have de-federated from these instances, and make a new account on one of those instances.As @[email protected] pointed out, instance blocking is possible:
You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that's lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
There's a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias. There's some communities and users across all the instances that are problematic. If you see something you don't like, block the user or community.
I'm seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren't really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another, and have even been caught lying to other instance admins.
I would lump Hexbear in under a name like The Big Three (to block), but I just thought I'd point out that many people are going to argue at its being called specifically a "tankie" one. And ofc it's more than just these three - e.g. Midwest.social has been caught in numerous scandals as well, though unlike the Big Three, the actual users there are perfectly fine, so I don't advocate for blocking it, just avoiding the communities there.
Speaking of, the Lemmy "instance blocking" would have been much better named as a "community mute", since it allows you to see the users from that instance, and they can vote on and reply to your content, triggering notifications, etc. The only real way to do an actual instance block is to move to an instance that has defederated from it (requires admin rights), or use PieFed that can implement a true user block from any instance you ask for (no admin approval necessary), or the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect can likewise do that.
Hey, real quick, nobody thinks the Russian Federation is somehow still Marxist, the Soviet Union was dissolved in the 90s and Marxism went with it. Further, China is not a "Utopia," it is Marxist-Leninist but it's in the early stages of Socialism, and the Russian Federation is far worse off under Capitalism.
If you want to correct your blurb, that would be far more accurate.
There's a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias.
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Hexbear hates Russia. They call Putin a fascist dictator / capitalist all the time.
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No one on Hexbear calls Russia or China a Marxist utopia. Pointing out that the CCP is using their power to build highspeed rail, nuclear energy, tons of public housing, and huge solar projects might seem like glazing, but I think those projects are worthy of praise. If the US built 40000km of highspeed rail, entire cities of public housing, tons of clean nuclear power plants, etc then I would be overjoyed to praise my country for doing something good.
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Supporting genocide is true tankieism. Anyone who isn't critical of the US's funding of genocide or the military industrial complex are the true tankies.
Splitting hairs is what tankies do when they get called out for their bullshit. Also giving bullet point lists that are thinly veiled propaganda and are exhausting to debunk.
Just want to add, the CPC is Marxist and is working off of Marxist economics. Their party ideology is Marxism-Leninism Xi Jinping Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism applied to modern China's conditions and under Xi Jinping.
Now, that doesn't mean it's some Utopia, and that also doesn't mean it's a far-future Communist society, just that they are in the early stages of Socialism.
How does the Tienanmen Square massacre fit into Marxism-Leninism ideology?
And who wrote about this "stage" of Marxist-Leninism that makes capitalism is legal and labour unions are illegal? Would that be the ruling party that's dominated by billionaires?
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You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that's lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Thanks! Found it and blocked. Appreciate the help!
Perfect! I'll edit my post.
There doesn’t seem to be a way to block all users of an instance though unfortunately. You can still see posts and comments they make on other instances
Whack-a-mole sadly, but I will say that not every user on an instance you don't want to interact with is necessarily going to be promoting content that you find objectionable.
True, but those users on the Big Three are fairly reputable for being contentious. So much so that merely blocking Hexbear alone will improve someone's experience on the Fediverse by ~90%, and then if you are able to block Lemmy.ml (most people using Lemmy cannot, not truly) then that improves it by a still further 90%.
Put another way, yes it blocks too much - that much is sadly true - however when the vast majority of the most batshit insane comments that one sees across the entire Fediverse comes from a user on one of the Big Three instances, then rather than leave the Fediverse entirely to get away from such, it makes a helluva lot of sense to just block users from those instances (which again, most people on Lemmy really can't do, without going to extreme measures).
It's like email spam: what legitimate content are you willing to give up in order to block the vast majority of incoming stuff that you don't want to see? There's enough leftover after blocking it out, at least for me and many others say the same. It does kinda suck for users on those instances, but like... at this point it's very well known, and they've made their choice, so now all that remains is for me to make mine, and my preferences - to avoid nonconsensual insanity thrown at me relentlessly from an instance that not only fails to discourage such but sometimes actively encourages it - should be able to matter too!
I saw the Hammer and Sickle on lemmy.ml and that was enough for me to know that they were probably Campists and Stalinists lol.
I guess it's good Lemmy has the different instances(?) even tho it's a bit annoying.
There's going to be Marxists on Lemmy, the lead developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists and some of the largest instances are explicitly Socialist-aligned.
The beauty is that you can just block the annoying instances. I've blocked lemmy.ml so I don't see their communities, but can still see their users commenting on posts.
Not all of us are happy with it. The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
But... it's genuinely one of the better moderated instances. It is quite peaceful compared to other communities. I dont see lemmygrad, I dont see beehaw, it's just, restful
That's why I like my instance, the admins are great and we have the same mindset of federation: let the users decide who they want to block and only defederate from a instance if they're hugely problematic or doing something illegal.
I think lemmy.ml is federated with lemmygrad right? I never see their stuff either, it's probably such a small instance that it kinda gets lost from the activity of the bigger and more popular communities.
Yeah on second glance, it is federated with lemmygrad, but I somehow don't see the posts from there. Apparently, I've only blocked one sub from there "GenZedong", but that seems to be enough for me to not see any of their stuff at a ll.
I am currently slowly migrating towards another instance, but I genuinely do feel comfortable on lemmy.ml
You are not the first person I've heard this from. Ironically the people who avoid anything even resembling a political topic can have quite the calm experience there, in the other communities.
However, it's still supporting that behavior, and there's also the "first they came for" mantra, which suggests that even though they haven't banned you from the entire instance yet, it may still lead to a shocking surprise when they eat your face off later rather than sooner.
But yes there are many other instances to choose from:-). Like feddit.org for a location-based instance for someone in Europe, or Discuss.Online for someone based in the USA, or themed instances such as programming.dev or literature.cafe, etc.
Not sure what to expect with the "eating my face off" part, but I can always just migrate away
How idiotic to stay there get on an instance that does not have such a bias with the moderation.
I have accounts on other instances, but lemmy.ml is genuinely quite peaceful. I find myself always coming back to it.
There's a distinct lack of general abuse there, and people seem to restrain themselves from needless insults
Yes but its better that if people who are easily misled find .ml they don't just see a bunch of propaganda with noone arguing about it. It makes it look more normal. The best thing is to constantly call them idiots and accuse them of solvent abuse. That way when gullible idiots come across it they know it's stupid. A lot of people need to be told.
By inconsistently choosing when they will moderate supporting murder and when they won't, they are essentially deciding what murder is okay. And that "should" disqualify them from section 230 protections. It doesn't because section 230 is too broad. But by picking which third party content to allow they are essentially editorializing using other people words.
But that’s not the motive or intent of what Reddit is doing. Saying they don’t support violence is an excuse being used to change what is being said and by who. It’s blatantly obvious. Defending how they are acting with the thinnest of arguments is giving full support to them and their methods.
[email protected] restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian
Cringe
If I may say, with all due respect (truly), Reddit highly encouraged "engagement" for the sake of those stats being sold to advertisers hence increasing their profits.
But here we are free from such. Breathe a sigh of relief at that... and note how we can choose to do things differently here.
Yes, I am saying this bc you are new, in hopes that it will help bring you up to speed and explain why people are downvoting you (I didn't myself btw). I hope you don't feel I'm picking on you. Okay, I'll shut up now and leave you alone!:-)
Uh... what? 2 downvotes is not such a big deal, and I wouldn't care about 10 downvotes either, I wrote what I thought and what I wanted. By the way, I haven't used Reddit too long (a week or so) so I know nothing about their “engagement” thing.
The lemmy trash server triad is blocked here. Do they really even exist?
According to the non stop feudposting coming from .worlders, it seems like we live rent free in your basement.
Lemmy.ml is not defederated from Lemmy.world, so new users will see everything by default.
Also, "instance blocking" would be better named as "community muting', bc it leaves users from those instances free to vote and reply to your content, trigger notifications, and you'll still see it in other communities.
To truly block it, someone has to first even know about it, and then the only real options are all rather extreme - move to an instance that has defederated from them all (Lemmy.ml in particular is extremely rarely defederated from), switch to using PieFed, a Lemmy alternative written in Python rather than Rust, or the Lemmy apps Sync or Connect. Or implement a filter like with Ublock Origin or some such. None of these are trivial, and again, none are available to new users to even be told are possible, or helpful to be done.
Reddit can die when there is something better around and I don't see that in Lemmy etc. Especially with the shittier instances you mentioned.
If all the people came here and with them propaganda I think in terms of moderation you would be woefully unprepared.
Not you personally but all the mods on the instances.
Yes, all of the Threadiverse (the forum based subset of the Fediverse) has only ~55k monthly active users. So if a significant fraction of a million people were to join, it would put significant strain on things - the hardware (especially network connections) alone would become swamped, and especially the moderation workload would skyrocket.
Check out PieFed btw - its advancements to enable democratization of moderation are fascinating! As just one example, during the signup wizard where someone says what interests they have and get subscribed to communities based on their answers (another feature Lemmy lacks), it asks people how much word filtering they would like to see about "Trump" and "Musk" - a lot, a little, or none (no filtering). Thus, users can define their own expectations as to the experience they want to see, rather than have that dictated to them by a mod.
Being written in Python rather than Rust, PieFed's own scalability is definitely worthy to be called into question, but on the other hand it is already testing out so many features that people have been begging for on Lemmy for many years without seeing any hints that those features will ever come, while PieFed already has them. Things like categories of communities, just recently made user customizable and also shareable, so they act like multi-Reddits.