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The Internet hatred for furries always bothered me. I'm not into it, I think it's weird, but so what? I think BDSM is weird too, but we don't treat people into BDSM like we treat furries- as if they're some sort of disease. I've met a few working at sci-fi/comic cons over the years and they've always been really nice, decent people. They just have a kink. Lots of people have kinks.
I think it's the fact that furries tend to bring their kink public. I have not consented to engage in your sex games. If he showed up to a ceremony in leather and a ballgag no one would be ok with it, but the fur suit is the equivalent and I'm expected to applaud.
bring their kink into public
But it's not a kink for them.
the fur suit is the equivalent [of] leather and a ballgag
I mean, no. It's really not.
I do get what you're saying and generally agree otherwise. That one was just a bit much.
I agree. I’ve seen furries in public and while I find them odd, I never saw any of their costumes as inherently sexual.
They do, though, and therein lies the non-issue.
except they don’t though, where are you coming up with this?
say someone is attracted to women, right? is every female body they see gonna be viewed exclusively through a sexual lens?
some people get kinky with ropes, are those inherently sexual too? where’s the line?
Some do, many don't. A fursuit is a costume, as a cosplayer in fandoms do, and I guarantee there are cosplayers that have sex in their costumes.
Knowing quite a few fursuiters there's less of them that want to have sex in suit because it's hot as fuck, makes you a lot more clumsy, and those suits are expensive as hell as they're custom made.
The fursuit is the equivalent??? I'm actually laughing rn people think this???
You sound like the kind of person that wants to ban drag story time at the libraries because "kids shouldn't be exposed to someone's kink"
So the distinction I feel here is that women are people. If a man wants to dress like a woman, sure, most people can interact with women in public, whatever. If you want to call them both, broadly, a form of cosplay, then drag is a costume that doesn't fundamentally change much. Animals aren't people.
so we should BAN HALLOWEEN
I mean, Halloween is explicitly a cosplay event which subverts social norms. I think it's pretty disingenuous to conflate Halloween with typical daily interaction
furry meet ups are explicitly a cosplay event which subverts social norms. i think it’s pretty disingenuous to conflate people with hobbies with sexual deviants.
Oh sure, meetups are one thing. I'm only talking about out in public.
A big part of this misconception is actually from That Episode. You can actually google the phrase That Episode. No need to even specify the show, just those two words are enough (but the show is CSI). There's a bunch to read into if you'd like, but the important bit is that a big part of public opinion - which has only recently begun to change, and only in some parts of the internet - comes from That Episode's portrayal of furries
I mean if someone gets off by not hurting or interacting with you then your consent isn't important. What happens in someone else's head is theirs. How they act toward others is important. Feel free to be skeeved out, tho.
I blame the astroturfing early on. The furry community never really overcame the weird allegations from their first major convention. It also doesn't help that people think furry is JUST a sexual thing.
Imma level with you chief: I would think it was less weird if it was JUST a sexual thing.
“I like to wear a cartoon animal suit when I go to the grocery”. —> weird, but you do you I guess.
“I get into some wild and depraved shit when I’m horny” —> me too buddy, me too.
And many replies here are people hating on furries, and people actually thinking fursuits are primarily a sexual thing, this is wild lmao.
From someone actually from the community, fursuits are NOT a sexual thing for the VAST majority of furries, and should not be treated as such. Can't believe I still have to say this.
Echoing what pugjesus said below, it would be easier to empathize with if it were a sexual thing. Sexy times have gotten weird, especially with the modern internet and the specificity of porn. Most people could imagine how a fursuit might spice up things in the bedroom, not to mention the anonymity of wearing a mask. But few people understand the desire to wear a fursuit for day-to-day activities. I imagine it would be too warm and uncomfortable, and I wouldn't get any joy or comfort out of it.
Personally, I'm on the live and let live team. I don't have to understand your lifestyle or your hobbies, nor do I feel the need to justify mine. But that's probably why you have to keep explaining it to everyone.
My kid is into the whole Furry scene. She makes the art, she’s learned valuable skills working on the suits and things.
Here’s the thing though. She doesn’t wear a fursuit for “day-to-day” activities. She does this stuff only with friends online. It’s just a creative community working with each other and building on each others work. I don’t get it, the appeal that is. It’s silly to me.
Most of the people she talks to are into drawing and creative type stuff. They’re musicians and artists from around the world. They have this odd thing in common that gives them a reason to create something familiar, quite often, with friends.
It isn’t her whole personality, it’s just a part of it. A social part even. It’s something to give them a sense of community and belonging.
I’m not a social person. I don’t have close friends and I don’t have any interest in sharing hobbies with other people, so it’s super foreign to me as a person on almost every level.
I just think people have serious misconceptions about what it is they’re doing. They’re just roleplaying and goofing with friends while being creative.
Sure, there’s a seedy side, but people make Simpsons porn for fucks sake. The difference in how we feel about that is that we all know the Simpsons and we know that’s not what it’s actually about. It’s just a few degens making weird shit. That’s the deal with furries too. A few degens make it sexual or make their whole life about it.
It’s goofy, but they’re having fun and meeting people.
Thank you very much for providing your insight to the discourse!
Hey, you’re welcome.
It bothered me bad when my kid started getting into it because of all of the bullying those folks get.
She’s a teenager and she’s having fun. She’s learned to draw and sew because of it. I haven’t seen anything even remotely worth my concern. They create characters and stories and just have fun. She’s learned to use 3D modeling software and serious art software. I got her a decent drawing tablet and she draws things for the kids who can’t draw. She’s developed some serious skill as a result of her interest in the stuff.
I’m for it. I don’t get it, but I’m for it.
if only all parents could be as supportive. keep up the good work friend 💖
Yiffit, you say.
you know, funnily enough i was actually encountering less porn on yiffit’s local than i was lemmy.world for a while
I just like claiming to be part of the fursecution. It's just always tickled me as a term.
Furries are odd fellows, but they
steam a good hammake a good cooling suit.It ain't for me, but I do somewhat respect that they have a hobby they're all-in on.
we don’t treat people into BDSM like we treat furries
I mean, unless they ask for that.
Right on, sibling
Sure they're all nice and great people but I can see the other side, comparing it to BDSM it would be like going to work in a gimp suit.
One its an internetism and 2: things like rainfurrest https://youtu.be/GmULc5VANsw
People who are into BDSM keep in the bedroom. It's not like they are going out of their way to wear their costumes.
Furries want to wear their costumes every chance they get.
How does it hurt you?
It doesn't hurt me at all. You wanted an explanation as to why the Internet has a hatred of furries, so I gave it to you.
I didn't want an explanation and you told me why you hate furries. Even though they've done nothing to you.
Let me hate all these fucking weirdos in peace bro
I find your hate makes you a weirdo, but i dont hate you for it. I just find it deplorable.
What's deplore a synonym for, though.
Uh huh