Programmers aren’t necessarily engineers tho, software engineers are, but not all programmers are software engineers. Even then, lots of people are trained as SEs and then just end up programmers.
"Software engineers aren't real engineers because they don't work on physical engines."
-An absolute dumbass telling me this to my face years ago while literally designing a software solution for (hardware) engineers on a manufacturing line
You just made me remember this pasta:
There is no such this as "reverse engineering". That is the stupidest and most pathetic lie ever.
Please stop being disrespectful & insulting to Engineering. You know nothing about what Engineering entails. Engineering means designing, building and producing real mechanical systems, like turbojets and vehicular engines. It has nothing to do with clowns sitting behind a keyboard and decoding/programming/deciphering etc.
Software dev is easy and for young kids and teens. And it has absolutely nothing to do with a serious and real subject like Engineering (Mechanical Engineering is the ONLY Engineering). Quit making false claims against engineering you. And stop being disrepectful to real engineers (Mechanical Engineering is the ONLY Engineering, PERIOD).
In some professions (not software), you have to take formal training and pass a series of tests to be certified as an “Engineer” for that profession. People who hold those titles are sometimes protective of the word. It’s kind of like “Doctor” to them.
What’s the difference?
Programming is just one part of the whole process of creating software. There's more than just writing code. There's also planning, design, architecture, testing, deployment, maintenance, etc. All that is engineering. Unsurprisingly, people with software engineering training tend to have a more complete idea as to what goes into it all.
Calling yourself "engineer" impresses more people and gets you higher wages.
Let’s say I’m a carpenter, and occasionally I open up a cad program and draw up a wrench or lathe chuck and have it cut out of sheet steel. Yes, I did some engineering but I’m not really an engineer.
Likewise let’s say I’m an artist. Maybe I write code now and then to program my automatic paint mixer or whatever.
Code to build something: engineer
Code to use something: programmer
To me, if you wrote/maintain/design a scaled system with uptime and latency requirements, that's a software engineer.
If you're laying out buttons and implementing business logic, you're a programmer. (This was me).
The title of Engineer is heavily protected in some countries. You'd get the title of Developer or Analyst or something along those lines.
Engineers have legal liability for the designs they approve. Software developers do not. We can use whatever words we want but most of the people who have decided to apply the word engineer to software dev, don’t even know what the word means.
When a bridge collapses, the PE who signed off on the drawing is going to end up in court. Even the most spectacular software failure will never blow back on the programming staff.
Meanwhile ddg search suggestions:
- Programmers are also human
- Programmers are wizards
Programmers are wizards
Yes. Thanks for noticing, DDG.
Puts on my robe and wizard's hat.
I’m the mightiest sorcerer of the lands.
easily scared
Patrick:
ᕼᴼ𝙤ᴼ𝐨 Visual Basic for Applications
oᴼoᵒDim i, j As Integer... tired of being stereotyped
I like to call myself a software aviator since were just making stuff up
... but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers.
