Reddit has permanently suspended my account for supporting Lemmy.
Reddit has permanently suspended my account for supporting Lemmy.
I have been supporting Lemmy recently a lot and made posts about Lemmy that got big reach. Today, sadly the reddit account through which, I moderated a lot of subs and spent time on, comes to an end. The reason was because I spammed according to reddit, but the reality is that they have censored me because I was hurting Reddit.
Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well
I never thought this would happen, not that I didn't completely expect it (but maybe not this soon and sudden), after all Reddit is known for censorship, and the fact that Reddit admins have absolute power over this website makes this believable. But part of me, misses that reddit account, it has been special to me, as I've spent countless of hours spending my personal time to moderate and improve communities that helped Reddit thrive. I moderated as many subs as over 25, many of them had atleast over 1k people, some as many as 200k if not more.
Before this happened, suspiciously, they banned r/LemmyMigration today early morning,
it remained banned for a few hours and returned back to normal (not weird at all). I thought that was a mistake, as the sub was back to normal unbanned, but it seems like the Reddit admins realized if they banned my sub, that would prove how they censor it, it can work against them. Now, it seems like they have realized that bringing my account down would be more effective, and stop me from possibly sharing how they censored my sub on other subs for example.
It's a shame, and part of me is sad, everything I worked hard for was taken away by them all of a sudden. I wanted to bring some of my communities here, now everything is gone, and it feels more like starting from scratch (Or discuss with mods I am still in contact with, and get help to bring communities I was planning on bring here, but it certainly makes things harder, not giving up anyways, especially not after this).
BTW I have filled an appeal, but I don't expect this to be reversed, this was planned by the Reddit admins and all they have to do is ignore my appeal, there is nothing more I can do to get my account back, and they just got rid of someone who was pinpointing some of their biggest flaws and potentially dangering their platform's dominance in the "aggregation and discussion platforms" market.
A note to all refugees and ex-redditors here, or those who are planning to join Lemmy - See the power a centralized corporation like Reddit holds. With a decentralized alternative like Lemmy, you can host your own instance or join another one if you get censored, with lemmy, we can put more power back in the hands of the people.
I don't have much else to say, moving on I will have to work with mods left that I do know through external platforms like Discord and try to bring some communities here. I hope this does not happen to any other moderator who have spend countless of hours helping Reddit in-directly like I did, somehow escaping such a suspension.
EDIT: There is some controversy in the comments if I actually spammed, I don't think I spammed at all, I only made a post on r/ApolloApp, it became a hit so I cross-posted it to other third-party app subs, just so that it can hopefully reach out to the respective developers for them to possibly consider Lemmy in the wake of new reddit API changes.
I was also certainly not the only one mentioning alternatives like Lemmy on the r/Apolloapp or any other third-party app sub, in-fact many people were mentioning alternatives, though I was banned, also my community r/LemmyMigration as mentioned above was called spam (and was temporarily banned, but was weirdly brought back up just to put my account down later today afternoon) when it only had 2 posts today morning. To me, "spam" seems like it is only used as a cover up by Reddit, the real reason is that my posts, just like r/LemmyMigration, was about Lemmy, a competition to Reddit.
Also if it was really spam, as soon as I cross-posted my post from r/apolloapp to the other subs, the mods would have removed it well before they got a lot of attention, why didn't they?
EDIT 2: A user called @danke has been spreading misinformation about me in the comments:
Just as you did on your newly created reddit alt, you’re painting this lie that you were banned for your tiny no-name subreddit and not for spamming this garbage on 11 different mobile app subreddits in quick succession. It’s truly like clockwork for sitebanned users to lie and omit these massive details.
This is a blatant lie, I mentioned about the cross-posts right IN THIS post: "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well"
As you can see, I made the post right here and on reddit, i never missed any details.
This is another good reason to stop using reddit. The internet used to have millions of active message boards for discussion of numerous topics. Reddit has essentially become one giant message board to rule them all. The world does not need this. Best to help decentralize the internet by promoting alternatives.
One of the reason reddit rose from these boards was persistence, boards were all over the place and no sureness if they will stay tomorrow. It seems reddit posts now have the same fate.
Delphi was pretty good. But it was also fairly persistent.
It is not just reddit.
Facebook, Instragram, etc. have centralised the internet.
This is showing that they know about Lemmy, which to a huge corporation like that is huge. It means they're starting to take it seriously.
Good. Let them sweat.
Sorry you had your account taken away because of it. I'll use my throwaways now to evangelize it.
They absolutely know about us, probably from a long time ago, but especially in this past week, with lemmy getting posted everywhere.
Reddit is so damn hypocritical here. They are successful because Digg buried itself doing shit like this. They literally got success as a result of another company doing the speedrun-your-platform-into-oblivion playbook that they are now following themselves. Look in a mirror, idiots, you've become exactly that which was the downfall of your competition some 13 years ago.
It’s almost like rich people have giant egos and think they’re ‘better’ than everyone else just cuz they have a ton of money!
I'm advertising Lemmy on every popular post on my 11 year old account.. I'm already through the painful part of the breakup, and have moved on to better things. Go ahead and ban me Reddit
Just got banned from a meme sub for making a meme about moving to Lemmy... Even tho the sub is participating in the blackout. Go figure.
Guess Reddit admins can ban anyone even if they don't moderate that specific subreddit.
Many mods are narrow-minded as well. Argentina subreddit was a perfect example.
Have you seen the drama over at r/sysadmin? TBH whether Reddit survives this or not (I'm assuming it will), I'd rather be over here. TBH the smaller user base is actually a plus.
I would suspect that's the admin's doing, but I wouldn't actually know
I just ran powerdelete suit on my reddit accounts and replaced all of my posts/comments with ones urging users to join lemmy. I was going to wait until July 1rst but if reddit is going to get that serious, then so am I. I am OUT!
Reddit deserves this.
how do you do this?
Dang. I should have done this. I just had it edit and then delete. Oh well. :D
I remember I used to fuck with and annoy the shit out of all the users on r/politics. I would make sure I commented something like "Biden 2020 WOO!," and see my comment escalated all the way to the top of the thread. Then I'd wait about 24/48 hours, go back and edit it to something, like praising Donald Trump, and the comments I got back where hilarious. People demanding I get banned for it. People asking how my comment got to the top of the page. People claiming I was a bot account that paid for upvotes. It was hilarious to watch in real time.
**sees icon on Tretiak's comment here showing that this comment has been edited**
Hmmmm
Reddit permanently suspended all of my accounts because I said Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a cunt for not retiring when she had the chance. R/politics banned that account, and then a few weeks later I'd forgotten about that incident and commented in another post from a different account. That's when reddit permabanned all of my accounts.
I've been on reddit since August 2008 when Randal Monroe published this xkcd about it: https://xkcd.com/477/
Bonus link: https://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/comments/71v7z/typewriter_xkcd/
15 fucking years on that site and they ban all my accounts and devices, then third party apps, porn, and who knows what else. Good riddance.
@redditrefugee @Archit bit of a rude word to call her, especially in the US if you're not from here and your culture is a lot more relaxed on that word. So while it's gross that they've banned you I'm kind of not surprised that kind of language would attract that kind of attention.
Except the mods on Reddit don't mind at all if you insult conservatives or Republicans with much worse rhetoric. In fact. they encourage it.
"Spam" reeks of weak horseshit justification for reddit's actions here. Lots of people x-post all sorts of things all the time. They were itching for a legitimate-sounding reason to ban you and they just reached for the first thing they could find using the loosest possible definition.
It is. Have you seen any of those onlyfans girls Reddit accounts? They post the same photo over 100x per day to all different subs. If you scroll down their profile, you can scroll for a good solid 5 minutes before you reach 7 days ago.
This isn't about spam. Spam gets caught in filters. Spammers get shadow banned.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure I saw some of OP's posts (it's what led me to sign up here) and they were helpful. I think the only thing considered spammy is maybe some of the crossposting of the same information, but it was useful information (for me at least).
I'm not at all surprised Reddit is doing this sort of thing. They've been known for this, and the timing was ripe for another one of their trademark iron fist overreaches.
All hail Lemmy. I really hope it gets the critical mass it needs after these shenanigans.
Sorry to hear that, I can hardly imagine how that feels. Well, their loss, our win.
This means they're scared. It means we're winning.
Meh. It might just mean they're annoyed and forward thinking. Better to stop talk of this early before it becomes something they actually need to be afraid of.
... and forward thinking.
Let me go ahead and stop you right there.
You are right, that's a great way of looking at this. They are indeed scared, desperate, pathetically desperate.
If this is true, this is probably an anti competitive practice and you can report it to regulation authorities in the US and EU, you might want to consult some non profit that deals with open source and free software for legal advice.
We can try to send an email to FSFE and though them we may be able to reach some more visibility. Also, there is a large list of journalists that already use and support the Fediverse, some of them write for big newspapers. Another thing could be directly contacting your MPs, but the communication in that case is different I guess
This is unsurprising, sadly. Reddit’s moderation is a joke, and they’re very well known for putting down oppositional posts and users. With the impending public offering this is only going to get worse.
Welp, I wuppose now is a good a time as any to delete my entire reddit accounts histories. Fuck em.
Hmm, can I share this story on Reddit? Will try
This permalink will take users directly to this thread: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/4329/Reddit-has-permanently-suspended-my-account-for-supporting-Lemmy
Appreciate you guys, seriously.
Today I'm gonna run one of those edit and delete scripts for reddit accounts, and I want my last message to be one promoting this place as a viable alternative :).
That sucks dude. Fuck Reddit
Bro, I am perma IP banned from Reddit and so is every single account that has ever been used while connected to my internet.
Reddit is garbage as hell.
EDIT:
BTW I have filled an appeal, but I don’t expect this to be reversed
They wont. My friends who were banned after connecting to my WiFi appealed, and Reddit declined their appeal. They legit did NOTHING wrong, and Reddit doesn't care.
Sorry about your account.
Wow. I thought it was bad when I got a week-long suspension for telling an admin, who was not using their admin account, to fuck off because he was sea-lioning me in a discussion thread. But perma-banned because you visited someone?
Ridiculous.
To make it clear I was banned because I told a mod on /r/Android that I preferred a Pixel over a Samsung Galaxy. I was banned, forgot about it, was logged in with one of my alts (a business account), and commented.
Reddit temporarily banned me for "ban evasion", but my friends didn't know about this, and when they came over and used their phones, when they commented, it turned the temporary "ban evasion" ban into a perma IP ban.
All of my business and alt accounts, my girlfriends account, all of my friends accounts, all perma-banned.
Something else interesting? I was going through my old screenshots last night, found a screenshot I took from 2020 on an account I forgot I had, and I went and looked, and it too was suspended. Weirdest part, was I moved, got a new IP, and haven't even logged into that account for nearly 3 years. Reddit just blanket banned every single account that touched my current IP, and every account that has connected to the same internet as my JshKlsn account in the past.
Fucking wild. They are scorched earthing everything lol.
I randomly got banned there just the other day for using a VPN connection to log into my account. Now the last one I had has become permanently suspended.
Cracking down on people advertising it is a sign of weakness, they're afraid and need to limit people spreading the word. Hopefully the coordinated moderation strike that a lot of subs are doing makes a dent on their user base, I hope people really move to federated alternatives this time instead of staying on the hostile platform/just crossposting like it happened with the Twitter/Mastodon thing.
fuck reddit. lemmy ftw!
It'd be fun to have Lemmy 'flair' for people banned from Reddit for promoting Lemmy.
Damn, that's some weak shit on their parts. Also temporarily banning LemmyMigration? LMAO
I'm really sorry to hear about this. This is really sad and pathetic on Reddit's part.
Mostly unrelated, but the actual discussion in the comments on that post are... yeesh. Why do discussions about freeze peach so quickly degrade into right-wing talking points?
Pretty sure Reddit can't ban people for promoting/linking to competitors sites as there is EU regulations in place to prevent this.
This issue was raised when Twitter tried to stop people from linking to their Mastodon accounts. Twitter put the policy in place and then quietly removed it soon after.
If you really believe that you were banned for promoting Lemmy then you should mention this in your appeal but as others have mentioned it seems like the issue was spam.
And sure maybe they were waiting for any reason they could get to ban you because you were promoting Lemmy and they got you on spam, always gotta read the contract/TOS to make sure the other party doesn't get you on a technicality
If you really believe that you were banned for promoting Lemmy then you should mention this in your appeal but as others have mentioned it seems like the issue was spam.
And that's precisely why the issue is going to be 'spam', even when it isn't. Because if you can't get away with stating the real reason the ban went into effect, you're going to do it under the auspice of something that has a degree of plausible deniability. I'm far less willing to give Reddit the charitable benefit of the doubt on this, seeing the shear amount of ridiculous bans that have been given out to people. But who knows, it's entirely possible it could've been spam.
I don't trust the reason for your ban completely, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on this.
That's shitty and I've been in your shoes (being banned on the shittiest way*), but on a lighter side it shows that promoting Lemmy there has an effect!
I think that "we" (i.e. people who are trying to convince people to migrate) should be doing this harder. Like, mentioning that you've been using Lemmy and other instances in the app subreddits, encouraging people to migrate, highlight other issues that happened and will happen with Reddit, this kind of stuff. A lot of us will be banned under shitty excuses... but frankly? Consider it as a badge.
* What pissed me in that case wasn't even the ban, but which accounts were banned. They banned all my accounts, regardless of recent activity, except the one that I used for mod duties. "We don't want you, but we still want your free worker, you sucker" doesn't work for me. (I don't regret dropping the mod duties on the spot then.)
At this point I am afraid even mentioning Lemmy in a couple of subs will lead Reddit in masking you as spammer, I would have taken it easy even if one of the subs I cross-posted to removed it as spam (things were dead silent, and suddenly a full account suspension comes in, not to mention my sub being banned briefly that is also about Lemmy prior to that), so I don't think this is because they actually look at this as spam, but a convenient way to mask me when they actually censored me and my sub that was growing.
That's why it's all the more worthwhile to just cut the cord already and jump ship. If you aren't allowed to state your personal endorsement of something or offer up alternative platforms for discussion, that's something 'else', masquerading as the removal of a spammer. Spamming is in the delivery of the content. Not in proposing something for other people to investigate. I don't have a problem leaning on the side of censorship on this. Especially if your style of post is similar to what you've displayed here on this thread. If not though, then your bad was probably justified.
When Reddit doesn't want you to do something, you don't stop doing it; you do it in a smarter way.
Odds are that you triggered Reddit's automatic detection of spam, and they potentially added "lemmy" to the "spam links"; but they have no way to detect something like "lem [remove this] my dot ml" or "that Fediverse platform starting with "l" and ending with "emmy"", or stuff like this. Also, never copy and paste text across communities, as this is rather suspicious activity.
Reddit is trash. Reddit admins are trash.
i got banned from my fav game's sub (gta online) for saying fuck islam cus many casino features are unavailable for me, even the -free- daily casino wheel spin... their reasoning was "racism". im an arab...
White people say the darnest things when they think they're on the moral high ground.
So, this might or might not provoke the Streisand effect? At either case it's important to post links to your alternative accounts on different platforms on your bio and put it in archive.org + archive.today for ban reasons. Anyone on any platform can get banned, it's important to have a plan for that. Hope you can recover at least partial/full of what was banned.
I'll be delting my 8 year old Reddit Account at the end of the month. I'm moving to Lemmy as my new Reddit.
I want to, but I will miss my eternian friends. It's not often you find a cool group of supportive people randomly like that.
Dude, a reason more to move them all here, start a new community, and prosper. Heck, I don't even know what it's about, but I'll join it! You're already here, amirite?
Already did it, on a whim. Also 8 years, 14k karma, some great posts and comments. Fuck it, I don't care, I started to feel guilty for spending free time on platform that got sick quite fast.
Shameless promotion of my new community: SNOOcalypse. I created it so people can discuss Reddit's downfall, as it's kind of off-topic for /c/opensource, and plus I want to see some activity coming from people who want to get rid of Reddit.
hahaha holy shit
I wonder if "cross-posting about /r/LemmyMigration to a bunch of other subs" triggered an automatic spam filter in a way that a bunch of different people saying "hey have you heard about Lemmy" does not. There's a certain level of slack I'm willing to cut for people trying to moderate something as huge as Reddit or Twitter or whatever; it's what happens in the next few days that's really going to be worth reacting to.
Good luck with the appeal. <3
(Update, a week later: yeah Reddit's CEO completely blew through all that slack I was willing to cut him, and then some.)
Yeah, my appeal has been nothing but ignored, as if it never existed, not even a single reply from them backing their decision.
That AMA tomorrow with the CEO is gonna be a heck of a thing, that’s for sure.
I believe I got shadow-banned as well for trying to promote the instance I host, oh well 🤷
Why would you work for free to help reddit, when you know what they are? Is it because you still have hope the site will go back to how it was when you started?
I stopped when I realized and started supporting FOSS projects like Lemmy, in-fact that's why I posted about Lemmy, and in-turn got banned for mentioning reddit's competitor, and most probably making reddit admins feel in-secure.
I kind of gave away everything I did at Reddit for Lemmy, and somehow it was something I was expecting might happen, I was willing to take the risk anyways, this proves the disadvantages of relying on a platform like Reddit.
To be fair, they didn’t remove other posts which was posted 3 days ago such as these from r/datahorder and r/apolloapp
https://reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/13yigdh/a_proposal_message_to_mods_do_you_want_to_have_a/
https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13xy42u/now_that_reddit_has_become_greedy_with_its_api/
Based on a comment here, you were aggressively cross posting. I believe this was the reason for banning you.
They are filtering all the links that conduce to lemmy instances, and anti-spam bots are limiting the lemmy links and (auto) banning comments related.
reddit was really bad anyways
I was looking for an alternative for a long time. Your posts and sub just offered me an option that was better than any I'd seen before. Kudos, man! I logged out of reddit and don't see myself going back, honestly.
I just saw this post on videogamer.com sucks though. Reddit can go down in flames! I'm gonna miss it though ngl
Just as you did on your newly created reddit alt, you're painting this lie that you were banned for your tiny no-name subreddit and not for spamming this garbage on 11 different mobile app subreddits in quick succession. It's truly like clockwork for sitebanned users to lie and omit these massive details.
dam, I feel a tad like an ass for deleting my reddit comments the way I did. Oh well, guess there's no turning back now.
Edit: never mind, @[email protected] seems to have made an account with the express purpose of making these comments, while OP is a 2Y old account, who posted the other day about helping redditors migrate over here. Idk what the actual truth of this situation is, but I'm inclined to lean towards OPs side of the story. I remember OPs reddit posts and they wheren't "spam" from what I could tell, he just posted basically the same post to multiple subreddits and AFAIK he didn't repeatedly post to the same subreddit multiple times.
Thank you for understanding man, I have no ill intention, I made a single post on r/ApolloApp, and cross-posted it to the other third-party app subs, to hopefully reach out to the respective devs so they can possibly consider Lemmy. It was not spamming in my opinion, if it ever was, the mods would have removed those cross-posts right away.
I literally mentioned about this in this post. Can you stop lying and spreading misinformation about me?
EDIT: Looks like posts from my account can’t be seen, but anyways, I have mentioned my cross-posts of my post on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs right here “Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well” in this post.
So no, I have mentioned all details in this post, I have not missed anything, this person is spreading misinformation about me.
In simple words, I cross-posted what I posted on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs, that is not "spamming", if it was ever considered against the rules, the moderators of these subs would have taken down my posts at the time, well before they grew.
EDIT: Looks like posts from my account can't be seen, but anyways, I have mentioned my cross-posts of my post on r/ApolloApp to the other third-party app subs right here "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy + Made the same post here as well" in this post.
So no, I have mentioned all details in this post, I have not missed anything, this person is spreading misinformation about me.
Yes, you did post on your ban-evasion account, so the content you linked has been shadowbanned. I'll copy the last publicly accessible text for posterity, which very clearly demonstrates exactly what I stated about you omitting your cross-post spam activity:
My initative r/LemmyMigration was banned temporarily this morning for the same reason..."spamming", then they suspiciously just unbanned it a couple hours later just to take my ex-account down.
The reality is that r/LemmyMigration had 2 posts, that was clearly not about spamming, but it's about mentioning their competitiion.
If what you call as "spamming" is the only way we can encourage people to consider moving to lemmy and get off this hellhole, so be it.
What happened was they censored me because they realized I was supporting their competition, I was not merely spamming nonsense, I have been on reddit long enough, especially moderating several huge communities, that I know actually "spamming" will endanger my account, but yeah, "spamming" was a comfortable way to mask censoring me.
Yeah reddit sucks but this was a reasonable ban. I saw OP posting that all over the place and pinging devs to the point it looked suspiciously close to self promo. I'm surprised the ban didn't happen earlier. It was pretty blatantly spam.
I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. It was a single post on r/ApolloApp that was cross-posted to a few other communities, and if that was considered as spam, wouldn't have the sub's own mods removed it and let me know?
But a complete suspension from the whole website? This was more than just the given reason "spamming".
Relevant trope: Wounded Gazelle Gambit
Ever seen an only fans poster? Sometimes 50 or 60 of the same post to sub after sub after sub. Note THAT is spam, not OPs output. Why are the OF spammer allowed to stay and not OP?
Fwwl proud. Be proud to have been kicked off. Means they are afraid>
I'm getting pretty tired of the Reddit drama - I think my bucket of popcorn is empty. I don't see Reddit changing their tune so I'm just going all-in on Lemmy.
Reddit has become something resembling an authoritarian gov that punishes for "anti revolutionary thought"
My attempts to drop Lemmy URLs in comments on reddit have also silently been canned. I have to do shit like
lemmygrad DOT ml SLASH signupinstead.For those of you interested in network engineering, I've created the following:
Vendor-neutral network engineering [email protected]
Juniper-specific [email protected]
:)
On a similar wavelength, come visit us at [email protected]
Can we please get a badge/flair added for this?
Wish I could've had the same honors bestowed upon me, but I've already had multiple accounts banned there for going against the grain of the hivemind.
I'd love that @[email protected]
Maybe a flair for ex-reddit moderators/reddit refugees.
Unfortunately, flairs aren't implemented yet. It's in the GitHub issues, but considering Lemmy just grew 12-fold overnight, they're obviously focusing on optimization :))
As I read your post, I had a lot of the same thoughts as others have replied... first I was ready to kill my /r/ accounts and run away forever [which I would regardless, except the masses are there..] and then I didn't full trust the reason behind your ban - I've talked about other open source/federated projects on Reddit, a lot...
And I assume the truth of the matter lies somewhere in between... regardless of that, tho, I appreciate your post. I'm sorry that you got the boot from big brother and I'm happy that you're here, using Lemmy and whatever Lemmy community you're on. [I'm on Beehaw.org.]
While I use Reddit, I think I know the solution for me... I'm going to start talking about Lemmy there in all my /r/tech* subs. Lemmy is worthy of the talk, and for users to come over... I'll promote Beehaw.org, as I fully agree with their policies and ideals for running the site - and I'll see what, if any, pushback I get on the /r/ platform.
If for any reason I run into the same as you're experiencing, I want to know sooner than later so I can rid myself of the /r/ forever!!
- pAULIE42o
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It's because you are making their investors lose money 😭😭😭 how tragic /s
I actually hope it goes away and gives space for other options. The world has enough.
Seems crazy they would ban you for talking about lemmy as its so tiny but there probably scared it will blow up like mastodon and start losing them money better to kill it now before it gets well known
I got banned from Reddit from creating another ban that was put for drawing criticism to a company in which I was massively backed by the community.
It’s proof that Reddit is legitimately afraid, enough that they’re resorting to astroturfing and censorship.
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