One surviving Reddit app plans to charge based on how much you use it

I'm done with that place.

Agreed. This place ain't 100% the same but it's been a fine replacement and it will get better over time.
- I like the communities around here. Different ones are larger here than on The-Site-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named which gives it a different feel. And people seem to be more apt to have discussions instead of getting crabby. Also seem to be fewer bots.
- IMHO it's so much better. I've had better discussions, less stupid comments (no pun comment threads so far for example).
  
  I don't want Lemmy to turn into Reddit.

I can honestly say that I don't give a fuck about anything Reddit related. I'm very happy with my Lemmy experience thus far. This place seems fresh.

Seriously, the handful of times I've checked back in on Reddit recently just made me think, "Wow I hate it here."

I'm so much happier on the Fediverse.
- Right? Scrolling through /r/all is just a combination of ragebait, low quality trash and circlejerking. I've been increasingly unhappy with the platform over the past years and the great time I've had on Lemmy has really driven the point home how bad of a site reddit has become.
- Literally the only reason I occasionally go back every 3 or 4 weeks is to check if my old app moved to the subscription service yet, and so far it hasn't
Lemmy is my methadone. Not interesting enough to get me hooked but just enough to keep me from going back.

I swear even the memes on here belong in comedy homicide and I see maybe one interesting article per day at most. I started carrying a kindle with me and usually just read instead of browsing. I've gone from a book every 2 or 3 months to a book per week.
- Any good book recommendations?
  I've just started reading more since a month or so as well, but I'm having trouble finding good books - especially sci-fi stuff
  
  I read the children of time books (2 of 3) and although the idea is cool, the writing style and also the (later) story itself isn't really good.
  
  So I've looked into the Foundation series from Asimov. I started with the prelude and went on to the second book, but after Dune it feels very shallow and somehow written like an action movie (with easy/stupid solutions)
  
  Isn't really the thread topic, but if your have any good books in mind, I would really appreciate it :⁠-⁠)
- I just need to start mirroring my fav book subreddits to my instance and I'm fully done with reddit
- Been doing that too (though not at the same pace). Like project Gutenberg has a ton of good stuff if you just let go of your preconceived notions about "the classics". Like you could right now drop everything and go read Ulysses. I wouldn't reccomend it (go read Dubliners instead), but like you could. It's like a call of the void.
Only wish there were more comments
- I think there's a lot of people who got turned off from commenting.
  
  It was so easy to gain the attention of some deranged Redditor when you commented, it was often just not worth it. Maybe that mindset came here and people are still warming up to the idea.
- I have been writing a lot of comments on lemmy and people are so quick to upvote or downvote or try to start an argument. I can see why lots just lurk
Since sync landed it's like I just continued from where I was before because that's the only client I've ever used
Reading about reddit for me nowadays is like seeing a tech news article for something that doesn't concern me.

It doesn't feel really relevant anymore. I think that's a good thing given that I feel like I can find most of the content I used to go to reddit for on the fediverse. With higher quality even. People seem to be of more diverse options as well, which is great.

Imagine paying for reposts every month. Lol!

I can get reposts every couple of hours on here.
- For free!

I used to spend a lot of time on reddit. Now since middle of june i have spent like 10 minutes total their and came streight back here. Lemmy has totally replaced my reddit usage slot and i am really happy about that. Also, shout out to the fantastic Thunder devs as i really love this app.

Relay is an amazing app. Very smooth. And this is a good solution for his app to survive.

But besides the fact that almost all of the money will be going to Reddit. Everything you do on the app makes calls to the API, including voting. And each vote is equal to one call, just as much getting a batch of comments for a post, or getting a batch of posts.

So the best way to keep your API calls low is to not vote on any post or comment.

Maybe the dev will optimize this somehow by maybe batching votes and sending them at a later date, but you can see how the current situation, made possible by reddit, will decrease engagement.

i love the app, and u/DBrady has made a great thing. but i can't support that place any longer. this doesn't have the active communities i desire, and that place fucking sucks my heart out of my chest. I'm pretty jaded right now...
- They also banned me for using a modded third party app, so now I can't post or interact on Reddit. Which is honestly perfectly fine with me, since I don't want it support the website by creating content for it anyways

Honestly, I was getting a good ad-free experience with RIF for many years and I enjoyed it. I don't see how anyone could have made money off of me for that. If 3rd party app/API access were only available with Reddit Gold, it wouldn't have been the most unreasonable idea in the world. This kinda sorta works like that. I'd almost consider it, but between the shit moves (read: outright lies) Spez was making, recent coin fuckery, and Lemmy content only getting better with time... Nah.

The way things are going, I'm pretty sure NSFW content on Reddit will be nixed within the next year. Hopefully that drives another influx this way.

Just wait until they axe old.reddit. I'm sure that will trigger the next exodus.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The costs of a subscription will go up based on a user’s daily average number of API calls, essentially meaning that the more things a person does in the app, the more they might have to pay.

Here is the full list, from developer DBrady’s post, which appears to include Google’s take of the subscription and Relay’s expected revenues:

In the newest release of Relay, DBrady says they also added the ability for users to see their average daily API calls.

The plan is for a subscription to roll out in two or three weeks from the time of their post and they expect to charge a monthly cost of $3 or $4.

“This won’t cover the cost of ‘super users’ who use the app all day, but, on average, it should allow me to pay the Reddit API bill,” the developer said.

Many subreddits and users protested against the switch to the paid API in-party because of its effect on the third-party app ecosystem.

I'm a bot and I'm open source!

Shame he didn't switch to Lemmy. Relay was my preferred reddit app.
- Id recommend Connect. Very similar feel, at least closest to Relay. Relay used to be my daily driver too
- Same, Relay did everything better for me and I miss it dearly.
- Same! I currently use Sync (was not a Sync fan historically), but I've tried Liftoff, Connect, Jerboa... others.
  
  Ultimately, I miss Relay, but is what it is. I don't miss reddit.
- Sync is the closest to Relay right now, but not with the default settings. You can set it up to have votes for swiped posts / comments like on Relay.
This feels a lot like when Duff tried to sell non-alcoholic beer.

Fuck that little alien and his cold dead eyes.

Apps that make fewer than 100 queries per minute using OAuth authentication

This is what Reddit allows for free, why is Relay asking for 1$ when using 50 queries a day?

Edit: Nevermind, reddit apparently counts access against the app-id and not the logged in user. So this would only work if you could use your own app-id within Relay which isn’t possible.

Because Relay has a few thousand users.
- I mean the user initiates the login flow and gets the token, why does it matter how many users Relay has?
  
  In order to make requests to reddit's API via OAuth, you must acquire an Authorization token, either on behalf of a user or for your client
  
  Maybe I am misunderstanding how API pricing for reddit works though. Do they count it against the app id and not the user?

I used Relay back when I was a redditor.

Ship sailed. I get the dev trying to recoup costs and keep the thing running. But ultimately reddit made their call and that market isn't really there anymore.

OT but related to the discussion: is there a way to track if and how the fediverse is increasing?

I looked on Wikipedia and it said it's just about ~67000 users on Lemmy VS ~52 million users on Reddit.

I'm spending most of my time on my phone on Lemmy (and about 5 mins on Reddit) every day now, but it would be awesome to be slowly attracting more users from Reddit over time.

Sure, it's better to be fewer users if it does lead to more quality conversations (which is what I find so far), but the fediverse still needs to grow!

Edit: fixed grammar and clarity in the last sentence.

https://fedidb.org/ does a good job of monitoring. They also have a special lemmy+kbin section.
- This is really nice, thank you!

Right now I am still using Infinity for reddit. Will keep using it till it stops working. The app can also be built with your own key and the limit will not be hit for most users of reddit. For lemmy I like infinity for lemmy best. Its just like infinity for reddit but lemmy.

How come it didn't stop working yet?
- I think the owner is not done with making the paid subscription version of the app so till then it will keep working.

Screw Reddit. Since my migration over here a couple months ago I’ve spent less than 1 hour over there.

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