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Cool! Key takeaway for me from this is Trump didn't get more popular, Dems just got way less popular. Kind of brings a bit of my hope in humanity back a little
The fact that anyone voted for Trump killed my hope in humanity
In 2016.
Even more so in 2024, since we now saw exactly how he would be. He's added 37 felony counts, the whole classified documents debacle, and more to his resume.
Let's not forget the deaths of over a million Americans due to a wholly inadequate pandemic response. But I stand by what I said, I already lost faith in 2016. It was apparent who he is back then and I am beyond disappointed in my fellow Americans.
While Trump did a lot of shit, i am not sure if we can count the pandemic deaths on his cap. Looking at most European countries, they didn't fare that much better. China with their full crackdown strategy seemed to only have delayed the pandemic to a later point and then just kept lying about their numbers. There is no way that China only had half a million cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Sort by "deaths per 1M pop". The only clear indication is that countries that are known to be "poor" have much lower numbers, which probably has to do with a younger population on the one hand and a lack of consistent analysis and data aggregation on the other hand.
Trumps response definitely sucked and less people could have died, but realistically nowhere near the 1 Million. Especially as the US economy is relentless on poor people, so they have to work, no matter what. Anything short of seizing the billionaires wealth to keep the economy afloat would have kept the problem of economy vs. health. And no country did that afaik. For the US it would be unfathomable no matter the administration.
It was never about him - well, certainly by 2020 - so much as it was to pwn the libs of "the other side".
Democrats did not listen, once again, while Republicans did listen - each to their respective bases, i.e. Republicans were the better liars.
so much as it was to pwn the libs of "the other side".
This sort of attitude did not really exist in the same way before Trump.
Yeah it existed but as a minor theme - certainly it was an argument against the playboy Bill Clinton. Then liberals tried to use it against Bush after 9/11 and the wars though it didn't take, and it also seemed to be a good at least half of Kamala's current strategy.
But as the billionaires have bought out each of the "news" organizations and converted them into for-profit machines, the attitude seems to have risen to the foreground to the point of being virtually the entirety of the argument to vote a certain way. i.e. ignore Trump's being a convicted rapist and felon, and instead just pay attention to how Kamala will not do enough to lower the prices of eggs, even while forcing parents to allow their kids to come home as fully trans after deciding to get the surgery on a whim at school one day.
In 2016 he was a protest vote and he was a joke, by 2020 and 2024 he was no longer a joke he was full on fascism.
Still kinda sucks that the Dems lost popularity. I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It isn't hard for me to believe that 1 in 8 people would refuse to vote for someone because their gender or color.
On a side note, I'm getting older and losing touch with new music, but are women's punk rock bands not as popular as I once remember them being or what? The world could use a little more fuck the patriarchy.
Im not sure, but I feel like girl led punk rock is making a resurgence lately, though the definition of what punk rock is may be arguable
Grlwood is an artist that comes to mind, but there are others for sure
Checkout ‘fuck me up’ from them
Ugh that’s depressing but I think you’re right.
It doesn't help anything but if you consider that our population grew by 6 million during that time and 22% (kids) can't vote. Then say that only 46% of the population votes... Trump should have had right over 2 million more votes this election, aka he lost votes when accounting for population growth.
Somehow Kamala is the patriarchy though?!:-P
Not as much as The Donald, ofc, but Kamala came across as being basically the same as Joe Biden, or at least it looks like that was what she was aiming for.
Not only every single polling data indicates otherwise, but lots of analysis are also identifying Harris' interview on the View, where she stated that "nothing comes to mind" when they asked her what would she have done differently from Biden as one her campaigns biggest blunders.
Their focus on everything but the economy during the campaign killed them. If they'd announced a major economic stimulus campaign to get folks back to where they were before the pandemic they'd have won. That gaffe on The View pegged Kamala as completely out of touch with what's going on for working class people (who are struggling, and have been struggling for quite some time.)
From what I could tell the campaign platform was "We're not trump, and btw we support women and we ❤️ PoC/LGBTQ+" (which is essentially the same campaign Hillary ran and lost with.)
They didn't brag about how many jobs they created with the infrastructure spending acts and didn't announce any further plans to keep that going. If they did then they certainly failed to fill the air with it. There was no message of change and hope which, let's be honest, after 35+y of leaving the bottom 80% out of the Wall St economy a huge number of people were waiting to hear.
Also "we love PoC" comes off as quite cynical as they support slaughtering brown people en masse and denied them to even speak about it while still wanting to endorse Harris. Meanwhile the white people whose country is doing the slaughter got a prominent place on stage to talk about their grievances.
Well one is a country the other isn’t I guess. And how is letting Trump I’m going to help that situation. The only way I could see it is if he stops funding Ukraine probably likely and Israel.
America has it pretty good compared to the rest of the world. I doubt since inflation is world wide that any government really could have done anything about it.
I don't see how her statement can be considered a blunder in a world where the winner jacked off his microphone, had a full on dementia sundowning episode during a town hall, and espoused at length about the hog Arnold Palmer was crankin'.
What was Kamala gonna do to top that? Peg JD's favorite couch on stage, and then motorboat Cardi B while Carmen plays in the background?
I think it would've been significantly worse had he been still running
I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It would have been way, way worse.
Honestly there's almost no way a sitting president gains popularity but considering his stance on Israel and stuff he sure as hell would lose some. I honestly don't think it would have been better.
Maybe being more policy specific would have helped Kamala. But the Democrats just have so much PR damage they haven't addressed over time, they are not doing themselves any favors. Humility can be an incredible thing but if you're a politician being humble is the hardest thing to fake, so if you're not, you're not gonna try if you're smart enough.
As a leftist (not in the US though) we just gotta take the L and that's that. I'll be waiting for the drop in support for Republicans after the fact and the following damage report from Rumpsteak's presidency. Let's just hope we get a competent cleaning crew to deal with the damage.
Also reminder that I'm on the hindsight 20/20 high horse so it's very easy to criticize, but I genuinely thought Kamala had a chance and it was a good idea so it's not like I make a good oracle lol.
I'm always confused by the need for the Democrats to be more policy specific, when they're the only party that actually shares any policy.
I feel like people aren't saying they're unsure of the specifics of Kamala's policy points, so they're going to instead vote for the guy who rambles incoherently for an hour about evil Mexicans.I think this shows a lot of potential Kamala voters chose not to vote, instead of going to the orange Julius. Democrats have to be more specific with policy because leftists demand it. The right (Trumps base) doesn't care.
It's great to know theyre complete jackasses who would rather take trump than someone who represents 70% of what they want.
Very comforting, very logical.
I'd be curious to know how many left the vote blank because of the gencodie, but they will never collect or report on such a statistic. Its forbidden, even now.
It's also hard to collate such data.
I'm not deeply into politics but it seems to me that the Democrats have a marketing problem. An analogy about "policy" is getting user feedback on a product and acting on what the user thinks resolves the problem rather than coming up with proper solution design
Most of the world are voting out standing governments cause times are hard all over. Don’t think they really could have done anything. It’s just part of the trend.
It would have been even worse.
It would have been worse.
The fact people couldn’t be bothered still destroyed my hope. I know people who didn’t vote because of single issues like gaza. Well not voting sure helped the situation.
When the final count is done, the sad news is that he did get more popular. And the wildest thing is the demographics that he got more popular with.
It’s actually crazy to see how little his numbers changed. Like, in the grand scheme of things, they didn’t change at all. 500,000 more people. Across the country. That’s nominal.
If the democrats continue to push this narrative that “swing voters” decided this election, we know we are well and truly fucked.