It’s honestly hilarious (in the fucked up shit way of course) that people are against this or making it $30, $50… who knows? What if, and let me assure you this is a CRAZY idea… but what if… workers received 100% of the value they produce and through a contract negotiated amongst their coworkers they can choose to scrape some of that 100% to reinvest in this company. Or would this be a cooperative of workers? Kinda like it is now. Actually EXACTLY like it is now. Except, there’s one or only a few people missing from the equation. Hmm. Ah yes, the investors/owners/executives. You know. The ones who PRODUCE FUCKING NOTHING YET SUCK ALL THE SURPLUS VALUE FROM THOSE WHO DO? Those people. Just yoink their stolen property and capital, give it to those who produce, and, like I said, I dunno, crazy ideas, let them figure it out. Or, more crazy ideas, perhaps some amount of the value is scraped “without consent” necessarily and goes into a giant pool of funds. Some massive reserve… perhaps headed by a federal agency of some sort. Hmm, who knows, maybe a federal reserve we could call it. And this centralized federal pool collector distributes the funds in a way as to invest… but it’s the workers investing in what benefits the workers, the vast majority of people in the country (or world) and not just little grifts and schemes to enrich those formerly capitalists who are now forcefully part of what they fear most… the proletariat.
I dunno, crazy fucking ideas though. Probably best to just remain completely atomized and cope by telling myself my boss stealing 9/10 of the value I create is fine because some other schlub gets 9.5/10 of his stolen and boy boy… man what an idiot! Glad I’m smart and aren’t being fucked over only a tiny amount less!
But of workers got there whole value, how could the dragons grow their hoard?
It's crab in a bucket mentality to so many people that make slightly more than minimum wage. "Why should burger flippers make as much as EMTs?" "If they raise minimum wage they will just raise the cost of living so I'll be poor." I know someone like this. They only care about themselves and their own status.
Yes. It’s crab in a bucket but also crabs that have been told by some other crab on the outside of the bucket yelling in that he made it out of the bucket by killing 40 crabs and climbing their corpses to freedom. Of course he was actually born outside the bucket or his father-crab had already piled those dead crabs up for him… but the desperate crabs in the bucket don’t know this and many will think yow smart he was and how they’re smart and not stupid like the crabs they’re currently stomping on.
I really stomped the crab analogy into the ground… or sand?
I think the general stupid argument that people make is that it'll raise unemployment and inflation
Personally I argue for a $33.33 minimum wage, thought you could easily convince me it should be more
Even though I unequivocally support raising the minimum wage until profits are exactly equal to the minimum wage itself, I think the "minimum wage debate" sometimes gets a bit wonky because of how many bizarre problems Yankees sleepwalked into. I can definitely see somebody living on 15 an hour comfortably if they didn't have to pay like half of their wages on fake services like rent. As it stands they pay outrageous prices for worse versions of cheaper stuff in other countries, and have to work bullshit jobs like doordash/hellofresh to keep up.
Liberals love complaining that increasing wages will lead to inflation (which is already a dubious claim), but then they refuse the other reasonable alternative of redacting the landlords. Even though Stadians have negative class conscience as a society I think it's more likely for there to be some big city rent strike than for their stock exchange hub posing as a Congress passing even a 1 dollar increase in minimum wage. Not to mention gig economy bypassing the already pityful wage for big cities anyway.
I think reducing cost of living and increasing wages should go hand in hand, a thing that the ever-compartimentalising liberal hates to do. The don't pay campaign looked very promising in the UK and I think even made Truss back down on her shit relatively quickly. Hit them where it hurts
financiallyand all.Libs in the thread thinking they're "compromising" by voting Sanders is just rich, though.
Remember when we were arguing about $15 like ten years ago? $20 ain't really enough now tbh
It should be close to $30
I feel lucky to be making 20 an hour but it is NOT enough, especially having kids.
When rent has risen to the size of one whole paycheck at least…20 is not that much today
I made $7.25 an hour in 1996 while working at McDonalds. Who the hell would work for that now?
Western "democracy" be like:
Here's a good clip explaining why, that despite overwhelming majority support on a policy, it won't get passed.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx12DM8w6EDQHrvGll0UoHoMnYPwv-i_zJ
I think people believe economics exists in a vacuum. Companies and banks try to claim that it does too, but they all play their cards differently when things change.
Minimum wage is not a living wage indicator, it’s a monetary floor. If you raise the floor above current working-class wages you still have to deal with the consequences of every single company raising the prices of everything to compensate for the new monetary floor being higher than it was before. $20 minimum wage means the average value of a house goes from $300k to $600k, the average car price goes from $25k to $50k. You accelerate inflation without getting anyone closer to a living wage. In fact, by substantially increasing minimum wage we would end up sending people who are currently struggling into a deeper financial crisis.
the average value of a house goes from $300k to $600k, the average car price goes from $25k to $50k
Didn’t that already happen anyway?
Double it and give it to the next person
$12 makes a lot of sense because it's approximately the highest value the minimum wage has ever been in real terms.
Higher would be better, but you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. $12 is way better than $7.
Pretty ridiculous that the government subsidizes corporations by paying tax credits and transfers to working people who earn the minimum wage. Not sure what wage fixes that issue the best but I'm sure it's higher than $7.
$33.33 is the minimum I will accept as a minimum wage not a cent less
And even then we should all know it isn't enough and all workers are still being exploited.
You're really just saying you are against any increase in the minimum wage that could ever actually pass. So you're against raising the minimum wage.
If I wasn't so sure the number was just a random number high enough that you can never be accused of being realistic, I'd ask how you decided on that number in particular.
