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Israeli Forces Fire at Gazans Waiting for Food Aid, Killing at Least 100, Injuring Over 760 Others

www.democracynow.org Israeli Forces Fire at Gazans Waiting for Food Aid, Killing at Least 100, Injuring Over 760 Others

Authorities in Gaza say Israeli forces have committed a massacre in Gaza City, killing at least 104 Palestinians as they waited for food aid. Gaza’s Health Ministry says over 760 people were wounded in what Hamas called an “unprecedented war crime.” According to eyewitnesses, Israeli forces opened f...

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Dont worry guys, Biden said we'll have a ceasefire by this weekend, and obviously he's not just incredibly out of touch with no idea what reality is like...
- Don't worry, the US will just politely ask the Israelis to stop acting like Nazis.
  
  What is quite amazing is that so much of US foreign policy is based on presenting strength.
  
  They do this while being absolutely cucked by the Israelis on the world stage.
- Dont worry guys, Biden said we’ll have a ceasefire by this weekend, and obviously he’s not just incredibly out of touch with no idea what reality is like…
  
  Yeah don't worry about the fact that he vetoed a UN resolution calling for a ceasefire 10 days ago.
  
  CNN — The United States has vetoed a resolution at the United Nations calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, an anticipated move that, while supportive of Israel, comes amid signs of American frustration with Israel’s war.
  
  Its our fault for bringing forwards this criticism. Guys don't you understand that if we show Biden how weak he is, we might get Trump who will also uh.. support a genocide of the Palestinian people. We need to support Biden no matter what, no questions asked, no criticisms allowed.
  
  Obv, /s, but who are we kidding, there won't be a Palestinian people in Palestine by November.
  
  Yeah that's what a Trump supporter would say. You're just mad cause your guy is loosing! (/s)
- But he must finish his ice cream first.
Definitely not genocide /s
- Hey, Israel has every right to defend themselves from starving children lined up for food. You must be one of those antisemitic people I've been hearing about.
  
  /s
Look at all these human shields... shielding the food and medical aid. Guess we better mow them down.
It’s ok guys. They forgot to condemn Hamas while they were starving and seeking refuge so it’s ok.
- You see, the food was Kkkhhhhaaamas.
Horrible horrible horrible
It's no fault of IDF: those people were clearly shielding Hummus!
Occupy Israel
Ok flame away, as clearly I’m going to be downvoted to oblivion or banned, but:

I read just now on the BBC that most of the casualties were due not to gunfire, as all the posts suggest, but to the aid Lorries driving over people in what seems like scenes of chaos and probable panic… and this is from a news outlet that leans to the left.

I’m not pro Hamas or IDF but I feel like (deserved or not), if what the Beeb say is true, then we’re allowing ourselves to get carried away here.

Israel-Gaza war: More than 100 reported killed in crowd near Gaza aid convoy, Hamas-run health ministry says
- If someone opens fire at people in a crowded building and causes a crowd crush that kills dozens of people, do you blame the crowd or the dude who started mowing people down? Israel murdered those people by creating that situation regardless of the precise circumstances of their deaths.
  
  And in so many more ways than that. There was a crush of people trying to "loot" food because they were starving. Which was also caused by Israel. If aid trucks were regularly coming into Gaza, they wouldn't be dealing with desperate people when they got through.
  
  If people swarm a stadium killing hundreds in their panic do you blame the people who crushed them or the police who intervened?
  
  There is still a timeline to work through, and the full story will take time.
  
  Your claim that this started with the IDF firing into the crowd around the trucks is exactly what's being discussed here
- It's wild how you read that article and just take the Israeli claim as truth when they're contradicted by others right there in the article:
  
  All or most of the casualties being treated at two other hospitals, Kamal Adwan and al-Awda, were said by officials there to have bullet or shrapnel wounds.
  
  It's wild you just take those officials' claims as truth when they're contradicted by others right there in the article:
  
  A Palestinian witness told the BBC most of those who died had been run over as lorry drivers tried to move forward.
- The Beeb.
  
  Leans Left.
  
  Uh...
  
  I've lived in the UK.
  
  The BBC themselves have some years ago published a study by Nottingham University that showed that the BBC favored whatever party was in Government an the time.
  
  The UK Government is currently in the hands of the Brexit faction of the Tories, who are Far-Right populists.
  
  Anybody who thinks the BBC is Left has to be so far to the Right that they're Fascists of the worse kind, which kinda makes sense given that such people are the ones justifying the actions of the Genocidal Fascist Government of Israel.
  
  When you're supporting a far right authoritarian genocide...
  
  Pretty much everything "leans left" compared to your own views...
  
  Have you seen much of Jeremy Bowen at all?
  
  In the UK zeitgeist, it’s at least relatively left wing.
  
  Edit: on this specific topic. Not the Toryshambles.
- Came here with similar response. Ill join you in the downvotes.
  
  Democracynow.org is horrific for half stories and bias. I went through Al Jazeera and a few points.
  
  Israel did open fire on the civilians. Their response and reasoning is that the trucks were being swarmed and the drivers who did kill some by being run over were Hamas drivers. People were likely killed in stampead prior to opening fire, and in the ensuring panic afterwards.
  
  Hamas is claiming they were deliberate shots at chest level.
  
  the fog of war in this conflict is horrible, and its exponentially worse because of propaganda, poor reporting and uneducated masses having a voice.
  
  ...so the guys driving the fucking aid trucks were Hamas? And Hamas was purposefully using the aid trucks to run over its own people? So Israel started firing at the drivers of the aid trucks but miraculously missed every shot, and them gunning down dozens of civilians was an oopsie?
  
  You believe that? Cuz that's really fucking stupid.
  
  You know why there was a mob of people? Because there is no food in Gaza. At all. People are subsisting on grains used for animal food, anything with calories. People are desperate when they are starving to death. And Israel, the fucking monsters, engineered this situation by only letting a couple trucks here and there trickle in while hundreds of aid trucks wait at the border, unallowed to enter.
  
  It all just horrible, any which way you slice it. Gut wrenching.
  
  I don’t doubt for a second the IDF have a shitload to answer for, but the propaganda machine is polarising people into a flat rejection of measured discourse, as usual.
  
  It’s impossible to argue with manufactured outrage. They already ate and digested the rhetoric and nothing will change their minds.
  
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  What I'm reading Israel is saying:
  
  They did not fire on the civilians (around the trucks)
  
  Their tanks fired warning shots to disperse the crowd (implying aimed away from the civilians)
  
  Nothing about the drivers being Hamas (as in: if they were escorted there, I don't think they would consider the drivers a threat, as that's what's being suggested by this wording)
  
  A nearby incident (how near? Probably very near) where civilians came towards their checkpoint, didn't stop after warning shots, and then they started shooting to kill
- Well tbf you're not supposed to want to find out about the details of these headlines
  
  Just upvote downvote along with the flow, maybe post something about how horrible things are, and wait for the next one

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