welcome, new Beehaw users and lurkers. an FAQ and introduction to Beehaw
hey folks. here's a new FAQ on the community, since the currently pinned thread is a bit haphazard and crammed now, and we've had more time to go over stuff.
What is Beehaw?
in summary, we're a community that wants to cultivate a sense of real belonging to something, to foster meaningful conversations, and to ensure everyone feels valued and respected in a way that isn't the case with other social media out there. we've thought and written a lot about this. if you'd like more than that summary, we strongly encourage you to read the following essays, which explain how this community is run, what we prioritize in running it, and why we've designed it this way generally:
you don't need to write a whole essay, however: please answer the question fully, and try to engage with at least some of the content above/on the sidebar before you register.
this is not personal, but we've grown a lot and are primarily interested in users who really care for the philosophy of our community. if you don't answer the question fully, you will likely get denied or caught in registration limbo when we have a backlog of users.
How long should I expect to wait to be approved?
now that we have email working: anywhere from a few minutes to 48 hours. you should get notified if you've used an email to sign up either way. make sure to check your spam folder to be safe this may be an issue for some users. if you did not use an email to sign up, try logging in after about 24 hours, and then again after 48 hours.
if we receive an influx of users you may get caught in registration limbo by failing to answer the questions, and it may take longer to get back to you than the 48 hours listed here.
I'm in! How can I keep Beehaw running, or otherwise contribute?
our instance is 100% user-funded. you can one-time donate or become a monthly donor here. you can donate anonymously both ways. as far as we're aware cryptocurrency is accepted by OpenCollective, it's just more laborious and you'll probably have to contact them to clear it.
if you have volunteer labor or advice you're willing to give us on how to keep the site running smoothly, we also generally appreciate that. our Matrix and Discord communities are the best way to offer that stuff to us.
How do I help keep the community running smoothly?
be considerate! think about the things you say and how you want to say them; be kind and charitable; don't assume the worst of people; but above all: Be(e) nice!
it might seem trite, but genuinely we've found there is no better distillation of what we want to accomplish here than that ethos. if something makes you feel like that ethos is being violated, err on the side of caution and report it (on desktop it's the flag button in the three dot menu on any post). it can't hurt. so far though we've found most people kind of know what we mean, and we're hopeful you'll be able to pick up on that too.
as for non-moderation ways you can keep things running: contribute to discussions! share stuff you find interesting! contribute your expertise and help out folks when they ask for it! it's okay—and very understandable—to lurk based on the toxicity commonplace on other social media, but we really do try to make this space as welcoming as possible to everyone here and we hope you'll find it a safer place to come out of your online shell.
What else should I know?
we always take feedback. while we can't promise any changes, you can provide thoughts and comments on just about anything on the site in Beehaw Support, or on Discord or Matrix (where we maintain real-time chat). we try to get a sense of what the community wants and needs all the time, so we'll frequently be asking for input from you to help inform our decisions.
we are all volunteers, and this is not a job for us. we would like to not have it be one, so we can just be members of the community with all of you. please help keep it that way!
I really like the policy of no downvotes. Honestly, even on Reddit I think downvoting had long ceased to serve any useful purpose, and turned into a harmful tool. Anything that truly is bad content can just be reported instead.
I’m coming around to like the policy, too. I was skeptical for a while before joining, but I think I figured out why I had that skepticism.
I think I’m used to larger communities/platforms not having a reliable moderation, and I’ve seen dislikes and downvotes as a directly user controlled means for a place to self-police its content. That’s not to say I’d think moderation would act in bad faith; I’ve had occasional points when I found myself in a moderator role, and I’ve always had the impression that we were trying our best. It’s more that I’d think larger platforms like YouTube and busy communities lend its moderation force to being spread too thin and having to make judgements quickly and with less nuance. Downvotes definitely can, and have, been used in bad faith by users, but I think I felt like their intended use case made their issues a necessary evil.
I think Beehaw is actively striving to be different in that way. I don’t think that means I should say this place is invulnerable to something like Mod Decay or Apathy—I’d think something as potentially impactful like this warrants a degree of vigilance. But the vibe I get so far is encouraging. I think that if Beehaw’s moderation stays the course, I’ll continue to see the downvotes absence not just as a non-issue here, but a benefit to how we do things.
I'm so glad to have found a reddit alternative that I actually want to use. I just joined yesterday, but I'm really liking it so far. And I love the general air of friendliness y'all seem to have cultivated here!
I'm here, hopped over a few days ago! It's a good time, though I do still switch between here and reddit (there's a few niche subreddits I can't quite let go of haha)
Major long term lurker from Reddit here, like 10+ years lurking. Lemmy / Beehaw actually gets me to post however and I love it! Not sure where the motivation has come from. A desire for a proper community perhaps? I've watched Reddit go through highs and lows over the years but weirdly I feel like I belong here. Hello and welcome to all other Lemmy / Beehaw users! :D
I think a lots of us are feeling almost the same :) I hope we can sustain this feeling on time and create more close and human interactions on the internet.
Brand new user here. Big thanks to those that stood up this community. I was approved within minutes! I was shocked. I am excited to be a small part of this friendly project.
Honestly, I like the lengthy ones! It's usually a sign the answer will be good because unfortunately, a lot of people just don't care to write much and it makes it much harder to decide if that person is a good fit for Beehaw.
For example, writing "Leaving Reddit." does not tell me anything and I feel kinda bad because I can't accept that person into Beehaw.
Really fast registration approval, it's nice to see an admin who cares for their community. Still kinda lost with Lemmy but so far so good and I look forward to interacting with everyone.
Been trying to sign up for the last few days without luck. Then I saw the thread about the big regarding declined users and thought that was it. Turns out it was another bug! Found it on github, apparently if you try to sign up with a username that's too long it just won't let you but it won't give you an error message either. You just get the spinning icon on the button.
So. Here I am with a shorter username!
Turns out I couldn't set my desired display name either (NorthernLightMountain) since it seems to be configured to the same length limit.
But at least i snagged a short and simple user name instead!
Like so many others I found my way here after reddit started acting like Facebook and I really wanted to join this instance in particular. A corner of the net actively trying to keep the toxicity at bay? Sign me up!
Going to take a little bit if getting used to the whole federated bit but it looks promising.
With a slight twist since I live far up north.. thus NorthernLightMountain :)
Can't go wrong with Peter F. Hamilton imho! Just wish he'd get to work producing some epic space opera again soon. It's been a while since we got something really massive from him.
Thank you to all of you who put the work in to make Beehaw what it is ❤️
The co-op / democratic governance idea sounds fascinating. I'm Finnish and we're big on co-ops (or were, at any rate), and I'd definitely love to see that particular ethos spread to site governance.
Oh and random hosting tech question, do you have an autoscaling setup at the moment?
It is not autoscaling. We had to scramble a lot in the first 48 hours after API changes were finalized to ensure we had hardware to support all the users and fine tune some settings for lemmy. Luckily we have some wonderfully tech literate people with time on their hands who've chipped in to help.
Yeah I like not having downvotes! I’ve been downvoted before on some art, they could at least tell me what they didn’t like lol. Takes off a lot of pressure and chance.
I initially balked at the idea when I read about it here but then realized how toxic it can be. I thought about and realized that the short burst of enjoyment I got out of downvoting especially hateful, bigoted, stupid etc. comments was not really very healthy. The original concept of downvoting in Reddit was supposed to be about downvoting content that didn't contribute to the conversation rather than content you didn't like. But in practice, the people who post constant negativity and hate aren't deterred by the downvoted anyway, often enjoy farming for the downvotes, and end up getting promoted anyway through the "controversial" sorting alrgorithm.
I’m very grateful to be here. I love building community online. It’s a shame so many spaces become toxic places. This feels like friends hanging out in a “third place” - not home, not work, but communal. :)
The way I think about it, this community feels like meeting a group of friends for a little festival in a park. It feels very "local," even though it's online.
I just wanted to say thanks for approving me. This thread and the linked site philosophy posts made signing up here a no-brainer for me. I'm really excited to be a part of the growth of Beehaw!
Just wanna echo this sentiment as well! Even with the kinks being worked out this overall has been a pretty simple user experience so far, especially compared with other similar aggregators
Excited to be part of the community here! ((: Really appreciate how deliberate and intentional beehaw is about how it does things and I'm enjoying exploring Lemmy a lot more than my dabbling with Mastodon in the past (which gave me some reference for the fediverse but never really stuck with me since twitter style microblogging was just never my style).
That's a good aspirational summary of how downvoting should be used, but in practice it's used as "I don't like this," not "this is against the core of what the site stands for," or "this is factually incorrect."
I’m curious how Beehaw and other instances are protected against spam and other types of automated abuse. When someone eventually tries to flood the community with “how I made $100,000 in one week working from home: spammy-link-yall.com,” is it handled manually or are there protections in place?
When someone eventually tries to flood the community with “how I made $100,000 in one week working from home: spammy-link-yall.com,” is it handled manually or are there protections in place?
as of now: manually. in the future i'm sure it can be automated but since we need to approve people's accounts before they can post that alone has basically rendered spam and self-promotion stuff like that a non-issue. genuinely can't remember when we last had to deal with it, even from a federated instance.
That's honestly refreshing to hear. I'm eager for something that feels like interacting on the early days of reddit as a 15-year veteran, so thanks for that.
Look forward to being here once the login issues are sorted out! The community's here are so much nicer and higher quality than practically anywhere else.
our instance is 100% user-funded. you can one-time donate or become a monthly donor here.
Can the details of costs vs donations be published? It would be good to be able to see what everything costs to run, what the donations are, where is it being spent etc
And near the bottom of this page you can see the donations made, the money actually spent, and their current balance: https://opencollective.com/beehaw
Thank you! That’s a very clear breakdown. Really appreciate how transparent the beehaw team is. The running costs are less than I would have expected and it’s reassuring that there’s already a good pot of money so (at least at the moment) beehaw is sustainable
I think the easiest way to explain it is to think of it like email, you can message people that have an hotmail with your gmail account and vice-versa. The only difference is that here, we have group chats and we're sending comments and posts (which could easily be comparable to mailing lists).
So it took some scrolling because search maybe isn't optimized yet. But now I'm looking at your beehaw comment on a beehaw post that I'm viewing on kbin from a kbin account. Yet I think you'll see this reply on Beehaw.
I'm a bit confused on lemmy instances. I thought I saw that you can join an instance with an account you've made on another one? For example, some people will have "[email protected]" on other instances. How does that work exactly? You can't just sign in?
You need to access the post through your own instance. In the sidebar of a community, it will have an adress to that community that you can copy paste in the search function of your instance> apparently I was wrong about it being in the sidebar, but the address is formulated like [email protected] in which anime is the community and lemmy.ml the instance
edit: apparently I was wrong about it always being in the sidebar, but the address is formulated like [email protected] in which anime is the community and lemmy.ml the instance
Hey everyone, I’m really happy to be here and to contribute to a welcoming, and safe community. Like a lot of you, I’m here because of what’s going on at Reddit. I’d already cut my ties with FB and Twitter long ago, but now with Apollo shutting down, I’ve been looking for a new community that shares my values. I’m happy to be here and with you all on Discord as well. Have fun and be kind!
After years on social media (going back to MySpace days) I still don't have the hang of it. I have been on FB since 2004. I tried Twitter in 2006 for about 8 months. I also did the Identi.ca thing too back when. Reddit from the early days and Lemmy since the first few months after it appeared. Mastodon was the first I really enjoyed and now that I have been lurking here in Beehaw with my Lemmy.ml account I am happy to switch over.
I really miss the days of MySpace. It was such a simpler time. I loved customizing my page, curating the music playlists, etc. I truly miss the late 90s early 00s Internet.
truly and genuinely from the bottom of my heart so thankful to be here. so thankful for you to do all the hardwork it is clearly evident you have been doing for this website. i appreciate you!!!!! thank you for approving me. i cant wait to be a part of something bigger and better :) <3
So, I was looking into a thread on lemmy.ml with some community recommendations for reddit refugees, and it seems there isn't a standard way to link communities in an instance-agnostic way?
For a start, it doesn't seem like the posting interface automatically recognizes community links (so if I write /c/[email protected], it automatically becomes a link to that community), so it seems you need to manually format the text as a link. So in order to have /c/[email protected], you need to write [/c/[email protected]](/c/[email protected]). Is it correct, or is there some straightforward trick I'm missing?
Moreover, it seems like not all communities are accessible from beehaw? Like https://lemmy.ml/c/nomanssky clearly exists, but accessing it from here as /c/[email protected] returns an error. Can someone clarify what's happening?
How about the other question? I tried to add [email protected] to my subscribed list and the community was not found. Do you have an allow list or something?
EDIT: never mind - it seems like that's a politically motivated federate, so maybe it's on your disallow list...
In jerboa, when I read a post from another instance, if I downvote a comment, it says "downvote disabled". Is this a bug, or can I really not use the downvote button on other instances because I am registered here?
i'm pretty sure it's the second thing, and that's inbuilt to lemmy so there's not much we can do about it without also opening up the entire community to downvotes. these should probably be separately configurable or something but that's a niche request, so it is what it is
Still new here and getting my bearings. So far one thing I hate about Lemmy is site wide pinned posts. I don't think that should be a thing unless it's a critical post.
Every time I have looked at the home page there is some pinned post at the top. That's not what I want to see when I go to the home page.
If it's important enough, it will be voted up to the top of the page for everyone. Then it should go back down naturally like everything else. It can be pinned in the community level, but site wide should be incredibly rare.
Still new here and getting my bearings. So far one thing I hate about Lemmy is site wide pinned posts. I don’t think that should be a thing unless it’s a critical post.
we're trying to cycle them out as needed (and limit them to 3 sitewide pins at most) but unfortunately we're in a weird spot right now where there's just a lot of critical information to put out there wrt our instance, lol
Yeah, I get it. I know there are growing pains. And some issues come up that might need the entire beehaw community's immediate attention. I just wanted the opinion to be out there. I was surprised to see other Lemmy instances had the same thing.
I hope that some day the plan is to have 0 site wide pinned posts as a rule. I think the home page should be sacred and the communities are where you go for pinned posts.
Though, I think a once a month/quarter update on things like funding would be a great use of pinned posts.
Thank you all for approving me! Realized I’ve already been more active and commenting on Lemmy more in a day then I have on Reddit in like a month. Loving it here so far!
Hi all. Noob here and a bit dumb. Is there a way I can view a list of the "subreddits" like I can on Reddit? It's hard to know what sort of communities I am interested and want to subscribe to if I can't find a list of them anywhere to browse. Also, what do you call "subreddits" on Lemmy? Thanks!
this should be possible through the communities button. you can tab between the local list of communities and All, which is a list comprised of all the communities on instances we federate with.
Oh thank you so much! I think one of the big problems was that the app I downloaded doesn't seem to have that feature for some reason. Not sure if anyone has any good recommended Android apps.
Native bees in particular are absolutely amazing wee critters! Here in NZ we have a bunch of chill little solitary native bee species that hardly ever sting humans and are an absolutely essential part of our awesome native ecosystems.
I apologize if this has been answered somewhere but I have difficulty reading large amounts of text. It's literally bad for my health.
This should be easy questions though. I know instances can choose to de-federate other instances so that we don't see their content. Here are my questions:
is this blocking automatically mutual?
If it's not, and users of an instance we can't see can see our posts, can they comment?
I ask because I've been noticing the comment numbers don't match the actual number of comments and was just speculating as to why.
i don't believe so? it's a bit unclear and weird to be frank with you.
If it’s not, and users of an instance we can’t see can see our posts, can they comment?
but no, they definitely cannot whatever the answer to the first question is.
as for why comment numbers don't match, that's probably language settings, which are controlled on posts by this rightmost button in the screencap. you can edit what languages are visible to you in your account settings
Question about how this whole thing works: downvotes are disabled in this instance, does that mean that being a member of Beehaw means I can't downvote, or does that mean that posts and comments within the Beehaw instance can't be downvoted?
You say "at the moment" - does that imply that it's an open question being considered? I've thought about it both ways and can understand the pros and cons either way. Initially I thought it would be inherently "unfair" in instances where other people were downvoting, but then I considered that the whole point was to try to encourage people to reflect on why they didn't like the content and respond accordingly.
My question is more about lemmy in general: I have subscribed to the Technology community here at Beehaw. However, there is also for example [email protected]. Will I get more / different content if I subscribe there as well? Is there a way to have communities / topics you can subscribe to across instances?
Yep that's basically how it works currently! Having cross-instance communities is something I've seen suggested quite a lot the last few days but it's not supported at the moment.
I always had mixed feelings about downvoting. On YouTube, dislikes were very useful, on Reddit I feel downvotes are just used to bring down dissenting opinions, regardless of their merit, so in a community like this it makes sense to disable them.
Hello all! Signed up for a few different sites yesterday, before the crush of today, to see which ones got some staying power. Kbin's incredibly slow right now, Reddit's not just blacked out but down, and Beehaw's over here in the corner rock solid. Think I've found my new spot!
Is there a way to message the mods/admin without messaging them directly (individually)? Can't seem to find the option.
Only curious because for some reason, my account got labeled "bot account" next to my comments and I have no idea why. Maybe because I posted from Jerboa or something? It's weird.
Not a bot, beteedubs. (Yes, yes, that's what a bot would say, I know.)
Stealth edit: Yeah, even this comment. Am I like not fully approved or something?
Only curious because for some reason, my account got labeled “bot account” next to my comments and I have no idea why. Maybe because I posted from Jerboa or something? It’s weird.
i think this is a setting you can flip and you may have accidentally flipped it? we don't have any ability to do that as far as i'm aware, but it's a toggle in user settings:
Hi everyone, and a thank you to the admins for approving me! Really love the feel of this place so far, there are some interesting discussions taking place. I'm almost a middle-aged geezer, and the Lemmies feel more like late 1990s/early 2000s mailing lists or forums than anything else -- I really miss those. I hope that I can contribute to the positive atmosphere and discussion quality!
Hi everyone and thanks Beehaw for the easy registration. I've been on Reddit for a very long time and while I'm not very seriously attached to it in any meaningful way, it does make me extremely sad to see the direction it's going now. I found so many niche communities that I could spend my time in that were such a fun part of my day. I don't have many IRL friends and don't really have any online friends, but interacting with the strangers in the subs I carefully curated over the years was so enjoyable. I hope I can find something similar here.
Hey yall. Excited to be here and check out the Beehaw community! Obviously I'm like many others looking for something move on from reddit with. This and Tildes seems to be a great fit for me! Looking forward to seeing everything going on here and hope to find some great conversations and insights.
I’m having trouble signing up for an account. Just spins. Tried phone, tablet, and laptop. I assume influx of people is crushing it but wanted to see if maybe it is something else. Any suggestions?
I just managed to get in a few minutes ago. I thought I submitted my request a few hours ago, but it just sat on the registration page for a while with the loading icon. I came back to the tab and clicked on the button again while it was spinning, without reloading the page or anything, and it went through just fine. Seems like the server is probably just overwhelmed right now.
What client? I'm new here too and when I first tried Jerboa on my phone it wouldn't let me login after the first time. It started working again after I deleted and re-added my account and has been working consistently ever since.
So I've started to get familiar with some of the other instances that show up in my "all" feed. Lemmy.ml, lemmy.world are the main two. But what is blahaj.zone? I see that one quite a bit but no one has ever talked about it.
i couldn't sign up using a 3 letter username i just got the spinny button problem. at least for me it seems to be broken in firefox on linux, signing up in another browser worked. other instances running 0.17.4-rc.1 work however.
I've had similar issues signing up from the Jerboa app too. It seems that in some browsers it can't show a notification when a username is not valid, and when it fails to show that notification then the loading animation just plays indefinitely.
Switching to a browser made it show the notification, and when changing the username to one that's valid it did work from the app too.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I was wondering how downvoting works across instances.
So, when I go to a community from another instance, I still don't have access to the downvote button. Is that a bug? It's not a big deal either way, but I was also wondering if someone from another instance comes here, can they downvote us?
So, when I go to a community from another instance, I still don’t have access to the downvote button. Is that a bug? It’s not a big deal either way, but I was also wondering if someone from another instance comes here, can they downvote us?
as far as i'm aware if you're on an instance where downvotes are disabled, it globally disables them for you (since you have to access other federated communities through your own). but downvotes from other places do nothing here even if they're enabled on those other places and even if people can see the downvote button.
I figured that was why I couldn't downvote on other instances, thanks for clearing that up! Honestly, I'm fine with that. I think not having the option actually makes me less aggressive lol.
And that's good to know that others can't just come here and downvote everyone. Again, thanks for clearing this up for me, I appreciate it!
Question about “front page” of Beehaw: who makes the logic for Active, Hot, New etc - is this part of Beehaw, or common functionality provided by Lemmy?
I do miss something more like “Best” I think from Apollo, and to see more new threads. I’ve subscribed to a number of communities over the last few days, but every time I go to beehaw.org to see the latest (yeah, a pattern from Reddit that might not fit that well here), after a few days now I see mostly the same threads, or at least the same as yesterday and the day before.
Would it be more up to the functionality in an app to provide a more customized front page, set a default sorting, hide posts I’ve already read etc, or is this functionality we can suggest for the instance to implement?
Question about “front page” of Beehaw: who makes the logic for Active, Hot, New etc - is this part of Beehaw, or common functionality provided by Lemmy?
provided by Lemmy--if you're curious they describe the formula for both here. the distinction between them according to the documents is:
Active (default): Calculates a rank based on the score and time of the latest comment, with decay over time
Hot: Like active, but uses time when the post was published
unfortunately this is a pretty technical part of the site so i'm not sure this is in our wheelhouse to even think about, much less contribute to--however you can definitely see if there's support or the technical know-how for alternative sorts over on lemmy.ml or Github.
it goes to both the mods and the admins; if you report something off-site, it goes to both the instance you're from and the instance you're reporting something on.
Absolutely didn't mind the sign up process considering the idealogy of Beehaw at it's core. It's necessary to filter out, at the very least, the people who can't even behave for one simple "Why I want to join" message.
I do wonder what the plan is for growth, though? I can't imagine it'll be feasible to screen every sign up in a future where Beehaw continues to grow so quickly.
I do wonder what the plan is for growth, though? I can’t imagine it’ll be feasible to screen every sign up in a future where Beehaw continues to grow so quickly.
late to this but:
we all sort of rotate in and out of approvals, so it's been pretty feasible to this point;
the tide has ebbed from its peak and other instances are really taking the pressure off of us, so we can definitely keep up better now;
worst case, we can just ignore all applications (or shut them off, if there's a toggle, not totally certain).
the big problem is actually the ones we don't approve, which are stuck in limbo as noted. we have about 5,000 of those and counting to get back to and we're working on how best to do that.
(we're also discussing how to scale on the fediverse side of things, but that's really preliminary)
I applied 26 hours ago and never heard anything back. I get an eternal spinner if I try to log on. Does that mean my answers were not up to snuff and I'm not approved? I hope that's not the case. At least the fediverse means I can still enjoy the content of beehaw.
I've been trying to sign up for the last 5 days or so.. My first application went through but then I guess I got stuck in limbo because it never let me sign in, now every time i attempt to re apply it just spins and spins.. Definitely a bummer.
Generally what this means is your registration application hasn't been reviewed yet - it just takes some time for a human to look at it and approve/deny.