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Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…
I was thinking more: We’re for a cease fire but we’re afraid America might be salty about it,
It's both at the same time. This conflict has caused populations of the yellow countries to be divided more than ever before.
This has caused many politicians to slip up in their first reactions, in which they declared unconditional support for Israel after the attacks by Hamas.
Even at that point more people than they anticipated took the stance that "self defence" should not automatically include fighting beyond your own borders and there was outrage. People felt their heads of state needed to represent ALL citizens, which means full support for the Israeli cause was unacceptable.
This has put several world leaders in an awkward position where they have to carefully balance protecting human rights within Gaza and simultaneously condemning Hamas as a terrorist organization. Abstaining from voting for a ceasefire is a direct result of that. Voting either way might open up new discussion with supporters of either side.
This is very obviously the cowardly way out and we as a people need to push for a resolution to this conflict that is morally just and protects human rights on both sides.
I remember that at least the Finnish reason for abstaining is that Hamas was not mentioned nor their attack condemned in any way in the cease fire resolution. Canada started a petition to change the wording of the resolution and most countries who abstained voted for this.
This is the same bullshit excuse America used to veto the first ceasefire.
Then when a bill with condemnation was introduced America still vetoed it.
It's just a pretentious troll. Every country that abstained is owned by the israeli lobby. That said the veto is far worse.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war
Still a million times better than vetoing it. We should be ashamed here in the US...
I read that completely differently to you. I see it as "we want a ceasefire but bullshit politics means we can't vote for it "
Some countries like Canada, are neutrally aligned, and simply don't answer questions like this. Same with Denmark, I believe.
I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.
I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.
Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.
Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.
I'm surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.
They appreciate being seen as opposing the west even more. Especially when it comes to toothless UN resolutions.
They don't want Hamas to be eliminated. Russia is always for ceasefire when its side is loosing.
Optics. Israel and Russia are both on massacre sides
Dmitriy Polyanskiy, Russia’s representative, said US diplomacy was "leaving scorched earth in its wake". He said if an immediate ceasefire was blocked by the US again, how could the country look its partners in the eye? He called on the US to "make the right choice" and support the demand for an end to violence.
It's solely due to US being the bad side along with Israel, they're trying to shift the narrative.
They know America is going to veto it because they're israel's bitches. And it looks way better for countries like Iran which supply Russia with drones to bomb Ukraine with.
Ironically Russia is winning support with their stance on human rights over America in this conflict. Zelensky sucking Netanyahu off also doesn't promote the Arabs views of Ukraine.
Even China dunked on America yesterday at the UN, that's when you know it's bad
People when they find out geopolitics is complex and there ano real bad guys like in the movies.
Wherein 'abstained' = 'we want to veto it but fear the political backlash so we'll leave it to the US'
Well, in fact only the 5 permanent members can veto a decision...
Ah.
Slightly off-topic, but TIL Croatia in Croatian is Hrvatska (thought it was a mistake at first and maybe HRV stood for (Bosnia and) Herzegovina)
While I knew the name, your comment made me wonder why Croatias country code is in their language while most others aren't. Like, hungary would be Magyarország, which is also very different from their English name.
Also, Austrias country code is wrong in this map. It should be AUT, AUS is Australia.
It's a lovely name! What I really want to know is, is it still pronounced like "Croatia"? In my mind you could kind of do it like "Hro-vaisha" maybe? Maybe someone who knows tha answer will show up!
Not at all similar.
The r after the H is"hard"/rolling. The Hr sound alone is probably where most non natives will have trouble. The closest sound is probably the pirate "Arrrr".
The ts is a sharp "z" sound ( like the plural ending in farts) and the k sound is also hard/sharp ( like in Mikado).
Despite appearing and sounding different, Hrvatska is actually the modern development of the early medieval Latin word "Croatia".
It's also common in many languages to call the country by a translation of Croatia instead of Hrvatska. The proper way to address the country would be "Republic of Hrvatska" and its people as "Hrvati" instead of "Croats".
This map will go down in the history books when they will speak about the Palestinian Genocide.
Future generations will ask how we let that happen.
The current generation isn't asking lots of questions about Uigurs, Armenians, etc.
So x for doubt
The map looks very similar to others during the cold war (US supporting apartheid, a variety of dictatorships and colonial movements and genocidal regimes) yet, you don't really see anyone asking how the US people let that happen.
The world has spoken. Now act world, act!
I don’t doubt for a second that Biden isn’t trying to get a second ceasefire going, but at the same time, this vote is hypocritical. There’s no denying that.
I don't believe that the US is interested in a ceasefire aside from appearance necessary to keep the muslim world and the muslims in the US and Europe from revolting against the injustice.
The US always worked to destabilize the Middle East and with Israel being armed to its teeth and countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt happy to sell out, this is perfect to sow division, despair and violence.
You don't doubt Genocide Joe, the guy single handedly funding the genocide, announcing his full support for the genocide, and vetoing the stopping of the genocide...
about wanting to stop the genocide?
What?
I hope it's a "See, we've got your back, now let's make our own ceasefire" kind of play
What is this? Canada just voted to support.
There was a ceasefire. Hamas broke it.
And since that terrorist organization broke it, we should just bomb all the Palestinians and turn the whole region into a wasteland, right??
Anyone who thinks this is the fault of only one side has an agenda...
Bullshit. There was a truce and they couldn't reach an agreement for the continuation. The first Bombs then flew from israel into Gaza. Since then more than 3.000 more Palestinians have been killed by Israel. For comparision since the October 7 attacks Hamas killed or taken hostage about 1.500 Israelis and people in Israel.
So just after the end of the truce, Israel killed twice as many people than Hamas did in the entirety of the past two months.
Also israel was kidnapping as many hostages as they released and broke the ceasefire by killing a civilian on day 1.
Hamas is surrendering en mass, from military point of view, a ceasefire now is a lost opportunity to bring your enemy to the knees
So Israel should stop fighting Hamas who openly call for a Jewish genocide and just let them keep trying?
It's kinda funny imagining the green countries getting rockets fired at them and groups come in to murder and kidnap innocent civilians then they just shrug and say 'we aren't going to fight back because it might look bad'
Killing 9000 children is not "fighting hamas"
No no no, they are fighting Hamas not the children, so it's not their fault. The children are just dropping dead, the fact it happened while their house was bombed by the IDF is totes unrelated. Also they are fighting Hamas in the West Bank too, even though they are not there.
punches you in the face Now see, this wasn't assault because I wasn't fighting you, I was fighting a guy who once attacked me but is not here. The punch just passed and you had your face in the way you antisemite. I'm sure Hamas was using you as a human punch shield.
Well a considerable amount of those were literally Hamas fighters, they don't wait until you're eighteen to sign you up for jihad lol
And yes it's sad that innocent people are always the victim of war, there's a lot of possible solutions which Hamas and the Palestinians reject so what's left? Israel just has to sit back and let them keep firing rockets and killing them because they built their tunnels under hospitals?
Incidentally the kids in the hospitals we heard so much about got taken to Israeli hospitals where they got world-class medical care, if Hamas hadn't contested the hospital and agreed to safe transit of wounded then this could have happened sooner. It often feels like Hamas want Palestinian kids to die and the IDF want to keep them alive.
We don't like genocides.
And one side of the conflict isn't committing them.
Genocide is much worse than any terrorist action.
By the definition given in this thread Hamas is absolutely doing genocide, what do you think from the river to the sea means? They openly and proudly state their intention is genocide and their constant attacks kill, harm and distress people - literally textbook by the definition.
Israel however loudly say they only want to target Hamas the terrorist organisation and they support a two state solution - to call what they're doing genocide you need to belive this isn't true, which I accept is possibly a valid argument but does make it much more of a grey area.
And no the fact that Hamas isn't able to kill as many Jews as they want due to logistics doesn't absolve them from anything - especially when crazy people are saying that we shouldn't support Israel and help them with things like ammunition, really feels like they do like genocide as long as it's Jewish people dying.
yet migration is away from green. kinda has you think maybe the green ones are just wrong.
Are you retarded
The short bus was missing a child. Thank you for finding them!
