Petition: Defederate from exploding-heads.com

If enough of the community makes it sufficiently clear that we're not going to let them peddle their Nazi bullshit unopposed, including by taking whatever moderator actions are possible to get rid of them, most of the Nazis will go somewhere else and we'll only have to deal with the typical number of Nazis for an internet platform rather than become inundated with them. Making them unwelcome by any means necessary is the name of the game.

then we will scrape them off our shoe as we always do with dog shit

If enough of the community makes it sufficiently clear that we're not going to let them peddle their Nazi bullshit unopposed, including by taking whatever moderator actions are possible to get rid of them, most of the Nazis will go somewhere else and we'll only have to deal with the typical number of Nazis for an internet platform rather than become inundated with them. Making them unwelcome by any means necessary is the name of the game.

I like how you make it sound like they're a type of vermin.

My criteria for what makes "a Nazi" are something like this.

1. A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one's race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are "white", while the "inferior" groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people

2. Reverence for cultural "tradition", real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as "degenerate" and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn't root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of "the west", a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.

3. Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are "degenerate", that allowing people from another race to exist in your race's society inevitably leads to that society's destruction, that gender as a concept is a "mental illness" because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.

4. Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is "bad" is an existential threat to all that is "good" and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.

5. An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it's big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.

6. Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn't an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - "physical removal", "showers", etc.

7. Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say "facts not feelings" as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying "it's common sense". They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on "the day of the rope", they'll be among the dead.

8. Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of "weakness". Consensus-builders are seen as spineless "cucks", while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as "based" exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren't conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for "rustling jimmies".

You can meet all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.

My criteria for what makes "a Nazi" are something like this.

1. A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one's race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are "white", while the "inferior" groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people

2. Reverence for cultural "tradition", real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as "degenerate" and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn't root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of "the west", a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.

3. Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are "degenerate", that allowing people from another race to exist in your race's society inevitably leads to that society's destruction, that gender as a concept is a "mental illness" because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.

4. Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is "bad" is an existential threat to all that is "good" and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.

5. An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it's big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.

6. Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn't an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - "physical removal", "showers", etc.

7. Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say "facts not feelings" as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying "it's common sense". They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on "the day of the rope", they'll be among the dead.

8. Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of "weakness". Consensus-builders are seen as spineless "cucks", while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as "based" exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren't conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for "rustling jimmies".

You can all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.

No. Trump isn’t really an ideologue. He’s just a grifter.

But trump publicly during a debate told a Christian nationalist terrorist organization convicted of insurrection to “stand by and stand back” as if he commands them, and as if they work on his behalf.

I find it interesting that in a thread entirely about Nazis, and nothing but Nazis, you heard Trump.

Make of that what you will

Not necessarily, but he and people who like him are dumbasses that (at the very least) enable Nazis. To be fair, it doesn’t matter what you call them. Instead of Nazis you could say Troglodytes and everyone would know who you talk about, them included.

Only just got a notification from this, but anyway, I gave my definition for what I consider "a Nazi" here. Make of it what you will.

"Hunter's laptop! Hunter's laptop!"

Normal people: "Who? Oh that guy. Who cares?"

"Buttery malez? Ben Gazi?"

thanks

It's a hint, sure. I'm suggesting they should have been explicit rather than relying on hints. People can miss hints.

It appeared on kbin.social's "all" feed.

Perhaps it would be a good feature to be able to flag a community as "local only" to prevent it from federating at all, for this kind of thing.

Have you even looked that some of the posts in their homepage Ffs? Defederation should be a thing when the whole instance is a piece of shit. Which it is in this case...

Follow this link. On the right hand side you will see a box that says "domain" and beneath that "exploding-heads.com" underneath that there is a box with a link to subscribe and a symbol to block. Click on the symbol to block.

Moderation has not caught up with kbin's growth, despite the devs being very busy. Maybe it's best just to block for now. I'm sure that kbin will take out the trash once moderation tools and mod teams are in place.

On edit: These instructions won't work for you, because as @vaguerant pointed out, you are not on a kbin server. However, I'm going to leave the comment up for any kbin users who might want to block that instance.

The beautiful thing about federated instances is that you can block whole domains from sources you don't like. If people are leftist they can block righty's and righty's can block leftist domains. Federation is beatiful

I mean they own the hardware and they're not being paid. It's gracious of any admin if they ask people's opinions. They run their servers because they do it as a hobby and enjoy it. What they believe is what is law on their property. If you Don't agree you can move, that's why it's great. Start your own! And if the hardware changes hands it will mean rules may change. It's not a bad thing, I means people are free to run their instance as they believe fit.

Just directly write them a message. I don't think it needs a vote by the majority of the community to exclude some right wing crypto bros who like transphobia etc

Also if you focus your energy here instead of notifying an admin, they might not read it and you kinda did the opposite of what you intended. Focus your energy here only if the admins and moderation don't do their job properly.

Liftoff has filters

On Lemmy you can't. Feel invited to kbin.

Thrn you don't think it's important to have a discussion. You can't think that and also be pro censoring discussionns and ideas. You can't have it both ways

Yeah thats a good thought experiment and worth thinking about.

However this is the internet. And like the internet, lemmy is hosted by many people with many different views, and used by an even broader range of people. Tons of things get people branded as intolerant. If everybody accused of being intolerant was shunned we'd be left with only the most homogenous, boring, milquetoast echo chamber.

"I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it"

Then a better solution would be a user-side instance block, similar how to on lemmy users can block communities. Defederation is the wrong direction for the site to take.

They're put in charge of rocketry programs?