Linux @lemmy.ml Banshee @midwest.social 1y ago

Moving to Arch/EndeavorOS from PopOS?

I've been using PopOS for a few months now, and I'm interested in Arch, but I'm worried about whether or not I have enough experience to do that successfully. Also, I have an Nvidia GPU until I start a new build in the next year or so. I don't know if that'll be a problem in Arch. It was a major issue with Fedora for me.

I'm willing to learn the terminal, but right now I'm still pretty dependent on tutorials to do more than basic things, like installing software. Most of those are catered to Ubuntu-based distros, so I'm concerned I won't have the luxury of guides to more complex terminal stuff.

Am I overthinking this? Or should I wait longer (maybe even until I build a new PC)?

How difficult is the transition from Ubuntu-based to Arch?

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How to do the most basic things

How to search for a package: sudo pacman -Ss packagename

How to install a package: sudo pacman -S packagename

How to update: sudo pacman -Syu

How to remove a package: sudo pacman -Rcns packagename

How to clean old packages: sudo pacman -Sc --noconfirm

Arch linux installer (official): archinstall

...and that is (pretty much) all you need to learn to use Arch linux in an acceptable fashion. Now go ahead and give it a spin -- you'll love it.
- Or just use yay with EndeavourOS.
- yay is also preinstalled on Endeavour; its main sells are fuzzy search, bundling AUR and treating just "yay" as update and upgrade everything and "yay " as fuzzy search for that package and you can select items to install. You still have to learn the rest of the commands though.
- Yes, let me reiterate for OP that archinstall is how you want to start your arch setup. The tutorial will guide you down the manual path to setup which is a lot more laborious and doesn’t always work the way you hope. The built-in script will do all of the manual setup tasks for you.
Nvidia is fine on Arch, the drivers are in the base repositories.

For tutorials, the Arch Wiki is one of the best resources for Linux. If you are unsure how to do something, there is likely an article that states how to do it.

If you are unsure, I would install Arch in a VM before swapping.
- Yes, the Arch wiki is spectacular, many users of other distros come there, via search engines, for help.
I can only recommend EndeavourOS, it's a fantastic way of getting into Arch
- Vouching for Endeavour--I've been using it for the past few weeks and it's been great. I have an AMD gpu though.
  
  I have an Nvidia card, and it handles the driver really well, so yeah. Great system
I'm a chronic distro hopper and here is my advice. If you want to try out new OSs make sure to backup your data as the probability of screwing everything up is relatively high. I use syncthing to ensure all documents I have exist outside my laptop so there is no cost to me breaking everything, but you can also just use an external hard drive and not be fancy. Whatever works for you.

Arch really isn't hugely different especially through the Endeavoros route which gives you sane defaults and packages without grinding through documentation. Just be prepared to be the car enthusiast of computing. Car people love understanding internals, messing with stuff, fixing issues that bother them, looking under the hood, asking for help, etc. That is the best analogy for the more, let's just say, enthusiast Linux environments.

Don't let that scare you though. Be prepared to learn a thing or two, backup your data, and make sure you have a backup stick with another OS on it to undo whatever you break and you'll be fine. I think I have literally gone through 100 reinstalls on the low end and everything is fine. Unlike a car your computer is fairly cheap to fix if it is just software.
Arch has gotten much easier to install over the last couple of years, especially with the new "archinstall" tool. The hard part now is setting everything up after installation (e.g., desktop environment, drivers, applications, etc.) but if you invest a little time into learning how to read the wiki, you should be able to get up and running within 2–3 hours.
- The Arch and Gentoo wikis are fantastic resources, even if you use neither flavor of Linux.
Pacman is the most braindead straight to the point package manager of them all, it won't take you very long to memorize the 3 letters you need to use it.
I'd say use EndeavourOS and if you choose NVidia in the menu when you boot the installer it will install the distro with NVidia drivers from the start and there's nothing to fiddle with. The updater (called yay) will henceforth update NVidia drivers as needed. It's one of the most handsfree NVidia experiences there is as kernel and driver updates are automatic via Arch.

I also suggest installing apps via Flatpak, this way there wont be problems with library versioning and system and apps are separated nicely. You can install KDE Discover for example to have a GUI app "store" that supports Flatpak. Just make sure to have the right Desktop portal installed. I run KDE but for some reason needed both the kde and gtk portals to get nice fonts everywhere.

You install stuff with Yay or Flatpak, e.g. "yay -S xdg-desktop-portal-kde" or "flatpak install com.valvesoftware.Steam". If you use Flatpak install Flatseal, it can handle permissions, for example you can give Steam access to another folder you want to use for games, for example I use /home/protonbadger/Games/ and gave Steam access to the folder this way.

SUSE Tumbleweed is a good alternative and more polished for desktop users, but you'll have to install NVidia drivers manually afterwards, there are wiki guides and youtube videos showing how. Occasionally when a new kernel update comes out the NVidia drivers trail a day or two so be aware of that on SuSE. NVidia have their own official repository with SUSE drivers.

I suggest trying both first in virtual machines for a few weeks.
- In my experience the only library versioning conflict I encountered was with GNOME and Budgie which has been fixed. Flatpak separates every single app which also means complicated directories so I avoid it and don't really see the necessity of it.
  
  I didn't like it because of discussions of it online. But then my Steam malfunctioned because of a Mesa update and I decided to try it anyway and form my own opinion. Turns out it works really well (for me), it's performant and I like that it installs without root password and is mildly sandboxed so installers can't put files just anywhere in my system.
  
  It's not so much about necessity of it as it's pros vs. cons of different package managers, Flatpak vs. pacman vs rpm vs snap vs appimage and repositories (the AUR is nice for example, but also a bit like the Wild West), etc. Pick what fits your personal philosophy and enjoy.
Arch is fairly easy, the difficulty is a bit of a meme:

Wiki is huge, read it before you do things.

As others said, pacman and AUR are dummy easy to work with, you generally don’t need to worry about dependencies etc, pacman and AUR helpers (like YaY) will install everything for you.

AUR is massive but understand that it is maintained by users.

The part that is hard is installing arch manually, archinstall mitigates this, you don’t learn too much by doing it manually, except how to partition disks through CLI and mount them (which, granted can be useful), also chroot is a good thing to know how to do if you brick something.

A clean arch install will give you a TTY environment, if you depend on wifi, make sure the install sets up networking before you reboot (archinstall has a separate option for this). Archinstall does give you options to install a WM / DE.

I recommend checking out Hyprdots by prasanthrangan for a very comfy Hyprland environment, but you could of course just set up something you are more comfortable with.

Nvidia drivers are not too hard to set up, the above dotfiles do it for you on a clean, minimal install. But if you want to do your own thing just follow the wiki on NVIDIA, you will need to be able to string together a few concepts independently by following the wiki links (to remove the KMS hook and add nvidia modesettings.
Go for it, I say. YMMV, but Pop!_OS for me was a headache, just didn't play nice with my rig. I'd go with Endeavor over vanilla Arch, just to make the install process simpiler.

For the terminal, you can learn how to use it at a basic level, I believe someone here already posted some commands. Write those down and what they do, or use Endeavor's Welcome Screen, and you'll be alright...or you can just install Pamac (yay pamac on the terminal. Go with pamac-all or the one that says no snaps) or Octopi, or re-enable the Discover Store if you wanna go with KDE or Gnome software and have a GUI menu for all that. If you feel lost, Google, the Arch wiki, and the Endeavor forums are your friends. The Arch wiki especially is super detailed, and can be applied to Linux in general.

Transitioning, i feel, YMMV. Again, i had a pretty bad time with Pop!Os and I wasn't a big fan of adding PPAs in general. It's nice not having to deal with any of that, personally. And up-to-date packages means my stuff isn't behaving oddly for the most part (there's breakages, small and big, but that's with all distros. Something is bound to screw up sooner or latter) Only thing I mind is constantly having to babysit the system...but that's the nature of rolling releases (by babysit, i mean updating is a daily thing. i know i can leave it for a week or two without upgrading and it'll be fine, but outta habit, I do a system wide update (yay in the terminal, or through pamac if ya got it) before shutting down for the day.) but I haven't found a stable release I vibe with, so I put up with it
- Yeah, I was thinking about changing over, because while I like PopOS, it has some issues on my rig. It wasn't as troublesome as Fedora, but laggy animations, Pop Shop crashing, and its very outdated version of GNOME were starting to frustrate me.
  
  I'm actually testing EndeavorOS in a live environment right now to get a feel for it! I've always been hesitant to try Arch in any form because my main Linux buddy warned me it was a quick way to ruin your system.
  
  I use this PC a lot, so I have no problem updating it several times a week or more. So fingers crossed I don't screw it up lol.
  
  Listen, if an idiot like me hasn't blown up his PC in the two years I've been on Linucx (1 yr and change with Arch), you'll be alright lol
  
  I'm gonna assume the reason Arch is "scary" for some folks is because it's a rolling release, which yeah, it can cause problems, but IDK, I've had much less problems with Arch vs any stable release I've tried not named Linux Mint (and even there, the volume and mic on my laptop failed to get picked up. An easy fix, but again, never had that happen on Arch). Sure, fixing a problem might seem daunting, but like...the internet and forums are right there. You can look up and ask for help. Then again, YMMV. I had to basically learn to ask for help and hunt down answers because of my time with Windows (geez, that was a headache. I'm convinced there was something wrong with my install, because I fought with Windows so much until i just couldn't anymore), so when I switched to Linux, the whole "it doesn't always work" argument fell off my back.
Imo it's better that you wait, you could try installing vanilla Arch in a vm and distrohop once you're ready, if PopOS is suiting all your needs imo there's no reason to get Arch on bare metal (A vm for fun and learning would be satisfying ig), on a side note, getting the proprietary NVIDIA driver to run is very simple in vanilla Arch (like a 4 steps or so)
With EndeavourOS, I would just use yay. It is pre-installed, uses the same syntax, and includes packages from the AUR.

If you ever have trouble, try eos-update as it builds in a few tricks that Arch users will eventually run into ( like having deal with outdated keyrings or pacman lock files ).

Pacseek can be a nice addition as well when you are searching repositories for something or trying to understand what a package is. Not essential but nice.
EndeavourOS is very nice and I've loved it for a few years now having come from Kubuntu.

It comes preinstalled with yay which makes everything nice and easy.
Linux newbie who also started with PopOS here. I'd definitely recommend Endeavour, It's been my daily for 2 months now and what finally let me ignore my Windows drive completely.

Only thing I'd add is grab timeshift, it's saved my bacon more than once already.
EndeavourOS is cake to install and maintain. NVIDIA drivers will install out of the box.

No need to wait.

To use the AUR, use yay instead of pacman ( same syntax ). Or use eos-update —yay to update as it takes care of a couple common Arch upgrade pitfalls ( infrequent ).

The Arch wiki is great so documentation should not be an issue.
It's doable, just follow the installation guide meticulously and read the page about nvidia drivers first. The wiki is excellent.

If you're worried that you might end up with a broken system, try installing it in a VM first until you're familiar witht the whole process, or try an intermediate distro like manjaro or endeavouros that have an automatic installer and will sort out driver issues for you.
Use a pre packaged easy to use Arch like Endeavour OS, Garuda Linux (best arch I've tried, very fast) etc. But avoid Manjaro - it WILL break your system.
- I've been using Manjaro for a few days with no problems, and I have an Nvidia GPU. It works fine whether I choose open-source or proprietary GPU drivers upon booting. Does it not work for you?
  
  (GTX 1070 Ti, if it matters.)
  
  If it works for you, don't touch it, great. Manjaro mostly just works, but occasional headaches I kept getting, like packages being broken for days at a time, no easy place to look for solution (their repo being different to arch's makes 99%of the difficulty) made me switch to arch/endeavorOs. Eventually, they may get stable enough to be acceptable, but I don't think their way is the right way to do it and they may even harm or slow down arch development and community in the process. Just looks like arch with extra steps, so I always recommend endeavorOs, Garuda or plain Arch, before Manjaro. But that doesn't mean Manjaro is trash and in some cases, it may even be the best solution.
Installation is a breeze with archinstall and the wiki makes most tinkering/ problem solving fairly easy. Having used mint and Ubuntu for a short time previously, I personally find it easier to tinker in arch than either of them.

Archinstall should offer installing the proprietary drivers once it detects your gpu. Other nvidia gpu problems depend on your de/wm choice. I use Wayland on kde with an Nvidia gpu and the biggest problem I have is some xwayland windows flickering, other than that it's just small nuisances.

For installing and updating packages get yourself an aur wrapper and enable the optional repos.
I've also switched from Debian-based disrtos (Ubuntu) to Arch about two year ago. I installed EndeavourOS and to be honest, it's simpler in some parts and I understand it better. But in using Arch, you should have a look at wiki too for things you do, since you should do some little things by your own (In my case, it was enabling Bluetooth, Fstrim, Hardware Acceleration, ...).

Here's a good place to start: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/General_recommendations

Also AUR is a really great way to install any package that it's not in repos. It actually turn anything into a Pacman package.
I would stay on PopOS, Arch is a huge hassle sadly, and it doesn't have the nice touches pop os does. If you want a rolling release I suggest openSUSE Tumbleweed
Try Garuda Linux. It's even easier than EndeavourOS and it's great. I am using it myself and I prefer it over EndeavourOS.
- Why?
- Garuda is much more bloated ootb
  
  That is why it did not stick with me
@Banshee go for Manjaro or Endeavour.

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