2023 Canadian Grand Prix Closing Thread
2023 Canadian Grand Prix Closing Thread
As nothing else has been posted, I figured I'd open this up to discussion.
A brilliant race, I thought. Lots of fantastic battles. An intelligent strategy from Ferrari. Not too chaotic or arbitrary. Albon fighting on 40-lap old tires for a huge P7.
How'd everyone else enjoy it?
I love that Albon and Williams 100% played to their cars strengths, and nobody seemed to have an answer for it!
We need to add Alex to the 'tyre whisperer' club. It's one thing to stay ahead of that DRS train, it's another do so when his tyres were so old. I'm so happy to have Albon in the sport. It's a shame Williams aren't in a place yet to have a good second driver, who could also pull shit like this.
It isn't some giant secret; they are super fast on the straights so followers with drs can't get alongside, and are "fast enough" (but slow comparatively) in the corners that nobody can get past them.
We see this pattern from them in every race; they always lead a long drs train, with the car in front of them tens of seconds ahead.
Reminds me of this classic from r/formuladank after Alex's last spectacular performance
Admired by Norris's last attempts, just wished he made it for the heck of it.
I love Lando but tbh I was confused by that one 😂 he was never going to outrun the penalty. Looked like he just wanted to take out Ocon for the lols.
I want Lando in the second Red Bull seat. Imagine Max Verstappen having a teammate with balls.
I took it as racers gonna race. Plus, track position is still important givem that an appeal may just be able to turn over a penalty. I guess track position is also why Stroll wemt for the overtake on Bottas as well.
Such a great effort for Albon... easy DotD, and huge for Williams in the lower WCC battle. Hope it's a sign that the Williams upgrades are decent & we may see more of it.
Russell cracked under the pressure of trying to stay on the back of Alonso... absolutely insane that the car almost finished the race after that hit... I was surprised it finished the lap! F1 cars are made of strong stuff these days.
Max mega as ever... ominous that Newey appears to be fully invested in F1 again after a few years where he seemed to drift away.
It feels like we see Alex getting great things out of the car, even when we aren't at low downforce tracks like this one. Hopefully when we go to Monza he'll have another chance to earn big points.
I think Max has really benefitted from an extended stretch of having the best car under him. Just having the confidence in the car seems to have taken him to a whole new level. This whole season he has just carried himself like a true champion.
Always difficult in a shunt to know whether the car is going to turn out to be made of adamantium or tissue paper. Can be either!
kudos to Albon and Williams 👍 👍
I know Max doesn't need the help but my god Perez does not deserve that Red Bull put Norris in it or something.
+1 for putting Norris in as a fan. However if I was Red Bull management I'd keep giving him one year contracts until be becomes a liability. They've got constructors nailed on and a clear driver hierarchy. It's ideal for them.
Put Albon back in that car, now that he has the experience. He's proving how good he is at Williams.
Great idea. Do RB still have an option on him?
I call bullshit. Are you forgetting that Perez is still #2 in the WDC? And can we agree that none of Max's teammates have been able to drive the car, likely because the fact that it rotates around the nose is harder to drive for most people?
Do I like where Checo has finished lately? No. Does he deserve the seat? Absolutely. Hell, he was within one point if Verstappen earlier this year. You MIGHT be blowing this out of proportion. The car is great, but Max is the one that can squeeze the most of out it, whether by design or circumstance. That doesn't make Perez any worse of a driver.
Look at Ricciardo coming from McLaren and jumping into the Red Bull sim. The team said his form was unrecognizable. Lando would probably be TERRIBLE in the Red Bull until he got used to it. Even then, it would likely still suit Max better, meaning Lando would look foolish driving it. They built that car around Max, and it has paid off, but it has also cost a few drivers their reputations, and in some cases their careers.
Given that everyone believes the Red Bull is so far ahead of everyone else, how does Perez get stuck in the midfield so often? Is Red Bull intentionally holding him back so that a TD doesn't come in and nuke the car out from under Max?
I'm glad to see that the gap between RB and the competition is slowly closing. Maybe it was a one off, maybe they expected rain all weekend and went with a setup that favors stability over performance, maybe it was a dead bird, maybe Aston's and Merc's upgrades really work.
Ferrari took a gamble and DID NOT FUCK UP. That was a refreshing change of pace, especially after being in full Ferrari fuck up mode all weekend (all year so far?).
The battle between Alonso and Hamilton was epic, as were the ones behind Albon who held onto his spot by sheer will and raw pace.
De Vries being De Vries, taking himself and K-Mag out on an open online lobby divebomb...
All in all, a great race :D
I’m glad to see that the gap between RB and the competition is slowly closing.
Well... there was a dead bird in the break duct of Verstappen, so I don't think they are closing the gap.
I mean, that bird certainly closed a gap :')
I can’t understand how Perez just couldn’t compete with Ferrari’s pace at all. Not his best circuit.
Not his best season.
not the best driver.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's lost some inspiration. Max and the car are so far ahead that there's nothing for him to do but be unflatteringly compared to Verstappen.
But what did Lando do though?
My understanding is that he slowed down on the race track leading up to pit entry so that McLaren could double-stack him after Piastri. It's against the rules to deliberately go slow and impede like that.
@WatTyler makes sense, but its sad that it wasn’t covered in the broadcast
Loved the way the penalty was phrased: "Unsportsmanlike behavior". Aka being like a total dick you know.
I enjoyed the race. Being honest Max was on his own race as usual, but not that far.
The fight ALO-HAM was very intense, many many laps doing qualy laps each other and putting pressure on the rival. ALO managed the gap brilliantly IMO given the circumstances (lift&coast)
Ferrari's dice was right in this race 😄 Very good and consistent race pace, just marginally slower than podium cars on a diferent strategy. Kudos to them.
Albon: Driver of the Day on merit.
Plenty of action in the race despite the DRS trains
Favorite moment was Alonso's pit telling him Hamilton was just 1.9s behind. "Okay, leave it to me." And then suddenly it was a 6 second gap.
I've pinned this to the top, thanks for starting the post.
Enjoyed the race which for me was interrupted by a biblical downpour causing my roof to leak. 😬
DotD for Albon. Kept it clean under huge pressure.
My observations are more on the community than the race...
- This community was amazing this weekend. I was quite active in /r/formula1 and was apprehensive about a race weekend without them. But I don't feel like I missed anything being here instead. News about major developments got posted here, and the discussion was great. If other race weekends are this active, this is my new f1 home without doubt.
- Moderation was great, warning people about stuff that's gonna be against the rules next week, while being chill about the fact that they're not finalized and everything was clear but just real non-confrontational. Thanks mods.
- I thought a single discussion post for the weekend would be ok, but for me it wasn't. I was lost in the main thread by the time qualy started and struggling to find new comments or figure out what session a comment-chain was about. It significantly hampered my ability to follow things and I contributed less to the discussion thread as a result. In a change from my take when we were planning last week, I'm now strongly in favor of per-session discussion threads plus a post-race thread like this one. If the modbot situation isn't clear to the moderation team within a couple weeks of Lemmy v18 coming out, I'm willing to pitch in here to get a bot that can schedule posts for us in advance. With the big API changes coming in v18 of Lemmy, I don't think there's much point in trying to get it sorted prior to then. It's likely that any bot that works in v17 will be broken on v18, so I think we just get it going once all the modteam's instances are upgraded to v18.
It's interesting you should say this, as my impression of the sub was the it was dead! I imagine this is a teething issue for the fediverse but when I looked there was no race thread, so I started one! Now I look at Top - Week and see a whole bunch of stuff I never spotted before.
Very weird.
It was dead 2w ago, but really came alive this weekend. If you were missing posts after they were made, check your language settings and make sure BOTH eng and undefined are selected (or nothing selected seems to work ok as well). Overly restrictive language limits can hide lots of posts that don't specify language.
Decent race. Ferrari finally pulled off 5Head strategy, great recovery run by them.
Yo why is this thread still here?!
Enjoyed that one, good battle between Alonso & Hamilton early on, Albon deserved driver of the day... Stroll recovered to a points finish, but really should be doing better, given what Alonso is doing with the same car.. Ferrari just being Ferrari 😅...
Sainz playing strategist from the cockpit yet again.
I wonder what his pace would have been like had he been given the swop around he asked for.
it’s not like he got close enough anyways.
Albono master class! Dude is driving that shitbox to perfection!
He's really come a long way since his time at Red Bull. There's no way that Williams would normally be in the points.
I felt he was hard done by at Red Bull. I remember in particular when he got torpedoed by Lewis in Aus but I always felt like he was a pretty awesome driver who was pretty unlucky on several occasions. Honestly felt he could swing it back his way given time.
Then again, I believe his attitude wasn't the greatest at the time and he seems much happier at Williams outperforming the car. It seems like a totally different operation with James Vowles as well.
Perfectly stated. I was surprised Williams was even up there. Maybe this is the start of a Williams turnaround? I certainly hope so. I'd love to see them doing better.
glad to see things are getting tighter at the top, still max has a great advantage.
What the heck happened with Checo? He should have had a podium, but just got lost in a DRS train I guess?
It seems like he's just lost confidence or something... he's not in the all time greats category but he should be able to push a little harder
He was also lacking pace. Before he pit for fastest lap, the gap between him and Sainz was biggest gap among the top 6 cars
Weekend Warm-up Pundit Predictions Performance
Pundit__|1st_____|2nd_____|3rd_____|Points ========================================== Laura___|Max_____|Lance___|Lewis___|_____4 Lawrence|Max_____|Lewis___|Carlos__|_____3(2 points for correct placement, 1 point for on the podium)
Once again the safe choices produce a bevy of points, and Laura extends her lead for the season so far:
Pundit (appearances)|Points|Average =================================== Laura (7)___________|____18|___2.57 Lawrence (6)________|____16|___2.67 Will (6)____________|_____9|___1.50 Jolyon (1)__________|_____6|___6.00 Rosanna (1)_________|_____4|___4.00 Alex (1)____________|_____4|___4.00 Sam (1)_____________|_____2|___2.00I wanted to follow the comments during the race, but saw someone mention that comments from lemmy.ml users were not getting through.
Does anyone know if this issue is resolved? I still see very few lemmy.ml posts or comments, most seem to be from Lemmy world users or other small instances.
The race thread currently has 282 comments for me, is it the same for everyone else?
Lemmy.world didn't get defederated from Lemmy.ml or something, did it?
When I browse on the web without logging in there's ~100 more comments compared to browsing through the Jerboa app through .world.
Not sure if those are .ml posters that are missing though (similar to many, I don't quite understand 100% how this place works yet).
I'm happy that Alonso got something better than 3rd. It was the perfect opportunity for him. Good defense by him as usual.
He looked so happy in the post race interviews
Honestly, Alonso has seemed pretty content all season. Almost always in a great mood, even when he's criticizing someone over the radio.
This is a new Fernando. Killer on track, fatherly figure with his team. I would love a win for him this season.
I'm a Max fan but we need some more excitement for P1
Perez is nowhere and Aston/Merc just aren't fast enough at the moment
Was really hoping to see a fight between Nando and Hamilton at the end there, but I suppose that scrap for 9th was an okay substitute!
Good strategy from Ferrari? The end times are nigh
The strategy was scary! Maybe with Meckies off to a new team someone else is getting a say
I think they used all the bad choices with sainz… although I can’t blame them, a race here with no SC was really an oddity.
Great race. Loved those last lap moves from Norris, Ocon and Stroll. Well deserved DotD for Albon. Feeling bad for Tsunoda though, that 6.4 pit stop was painful to see.
Alpha tauri is a total shitshow this year. The car is bad, strategy is suspect and even the pitstops are hit or miss. Tsunoda has improved a lot compared to the last 2 years but we are not seeing it
It's a shame really. This is a team which for multiple decades punched far above their weight with limited resources. Nowadays it's impossible to cheer for them.
GG Albon would be my driver of the day. Good to see Williams not running at the back.
Was really disheartened so see Hüllenberg going backwards after bad luck with his pitstop. And Norris... Man, I really feel sorry for him.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to see the race. I noticed that Valtteri scored a point though, so that was nice.
Valtteri almost had 9th, but Stroll passed him at the finish line for 9th. Find a replay it was an amazing finish
Thanks, I need to find this!