Political Memes @lemmy.world FundMECFS @lemmy.blahaj.zone 5d ago

Turn the logic around

Context:

"He who saves his Country does not violate any Law," Trump, a Republican, proclaimed on his Truth Social network. The White House did not respond to a request for more details.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-if-it-saves-country-its-not-illegal-2025-02-16/

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Wouldn't it be awesome if he or his attorney quotes this on the stand?
- Does try saving the country count as well? I mean, I don’t consider the country as saved now…
  
  Only one little parasite less.
  
  Reaching any destination involves taking hundreds or thousands of steps toward it. Each step is only 'trying to reach the destination', but if you consistently place the steps in the right direction, you end up reaching the destination.
  
  "Do or Do Not, there is no Try."
  
  -Darth Yoda
- But why? He didn't do it.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

John 15:13
ThAtS dIfFeRrenT
More directly, the guy who took a shot at Trump should get a posthumous pardon. If all it takes for something to be legal is for you to think you're saving the country, then trying to kill the president isn't a crime.
That was nearly my first thought when I read that quote. Only I pictured someone using it to remove the person who said it. To clearly save the country.
It's true. He didn't
- He saved millions in waste.
I look at this picture and I see no criminal
Someone deserves a pardon then!
That's going to make a great t-shirt.
Can someone point me to the facts of this case please? Did anyone read the actual reasons why his claim was refused? What other people are dying? Links? Do you know of anyone who was refused a life saving claim? Has anyone here been refused a claim? ty

Edit: LOL at all the links that were posted to defend this killer. You guys get too much of your news from FB, X and any other source that do not fact check. LM will end up as an insignificant murderer who will die in prison. I hope he gets the care he needs while incarcerated, no insurance there for him. LOL
And what did he save exactly? Because everything is exactly the same as it was before he murdered someone.
- One step at a time. He made people realize for a second that there is no left vs right. It's working class vs top 1%
  
  Just like 9/11 did.
- He has declared victory. He has saved us all. Stop paying attention, paise him, and when other tell you he's stealing, lying, and cheating scoff at them and say something incredibly easy to verify as false.
  
  Edit: Do I really have to say I'm being sarcastic? I'm being sarcastic. This is what I imagine a Trump goon would say.
Please tell me why this guy is your hero? I really do not understand why he's in that position after a murder. He even shot him in the back, cowardly so. You want to make a point, write a letter. Killing of a human being is not something that should be used to protest a bad decision on your health care ffs. Are you saying this is the way we should deal with matters like this?
- We need to recognise social murder as murder.
  
  Thousands of people die preventable deaths every day because of health insurance not covering basic measures, but people online spend more effort defending the life of one CEO, than those millions of cumulative deaths.
  
  The unheard pleas and screams for help of millions of people are being ignored so a couple rich people can uphold their hierarchy. It’s inevitable that some of the oppressed people will crack, here it was Luigi, a rich and privileged kid, who couldn’t deal with the sort of stuff poor disabled and marginalised folk deal with every day.
  
  But yet we also see him as a sort of symbol, standing for the collective pain we have felt, the relatives and friends who have died preventable deaths, someone who stood up and sent a message to the people causing so much suffering.
  
  Most won’t agree with how he did it, and that’s okay, but you’ve got to admit, your “letter” comparison doesn’t make sense. He could have sent a letter, and it would have been ignored, just like the millions of pleas for help were.
  
  @[email protected], it’s okay if you don’t understand, before I had faced widespread systemic violence and oppression by the system and watched family be mistreated and die preventable deaths, I’m not sure I would have understood either.
  
  By the way, welcome to lemmy! I hope you enjoy it here :)
  
  My letter comment was vague. What I really was trying to say if there are so many refusals then why not collectively arrange a formal complaint with authorities?
  
  I agree that the current health care system of USA is basically killing people that wouldn’t need to die.
  
  I even think, the person above agrees to that, but in many countries, the culture isn’t “this person killed xx now we have to kill the killer out of revenge!” But, “ this person killed xx now we need to think how to protect society from more killing!”
  
  So that is what the person above is pointing out: One person shooting one other person changes exactly nothing. For real change, there is need of organisation, agreement within the organisation on what goals , a plan for future, targeted actions like strikes, demonstrations , residence to Oppression, etc.
  
  Maybe don’t give them a good reason to enable military, only on last resort, but before that, all Americans should just stop working at the same time and all demand the same. Prepare the list beforehand.
- You think shooting someone in the back is cowardly? Imagine the kind of person who would do it from behind a desk, never even seeing their millions of victims.
  
  THAT'S cowardice. Luigi is one of the bravest people on the planet.
- You want to make a point, write a letter.
  
  You are incredibly naïve
  
  Taken in the context I wrote it without further info was indeed naive. See other comments for clarity.
- ah yes, writing a letter. just like the millions of people that UHC ~~murdered~~ wrote letters to.
  
  UHC and many other health insurance companies in the US will and do let people die in order to keep profits. Brian Thompson was complicit in this process. His murder is fully justified.
  
  I don't want a future where murder and violence is the only way to bring issues to light, but when governments, regulations, and other protections fail us, people get desperate. They are left with no other choice.
  
  I admit I'm not aware of the problems in the US specifically related to insurance claims being refused. Links to actual cases would be nice. It's just that where are we going to stop? A gate has been opened and now maybe someone is plotting to execute some oil exec. because of the price of gasoline, or the price of food, high taxes... it kind of creeps me out that many people arrive to your conclusion in todays society; where we expect to be safe from exactly that sort of thing.
- He is not a hero. This man is an ALLEGED hero.
- a bad decision on your health care
  
  Somebody literally decided to let Luigi live in pain.
  
  Those somebodies also decide that live saving treatment is out of scope because they want a bigger bonus.
- Without celebrating murder, absolute monarchy would be much more common
  
  You can argue that this specific case is bad, but you cant say that violence is never the answer

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