True Story
True Story
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30986085
Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they're about to be hunted for sport.
Help divide the left vote by making memes about the left-leaning candidate
Yeah, man, great point. I mean, I was going to say that it was the campaign's fault for prioritizing getting Republican votes over leftists votes, like when they promised to appoint Republicans to the cabinet or did campaign events with Liz Cheney and Laura Bush, that split the left from the party and made them not want to turn out. But now that I think about it, you're right; it was devisive memes that cost her the election, not the decisions of a national political party with billions of dollars to spend. Great point, dude, great fucking point.
Anyone with the slightest sense of empathy or self-interest should look at Trump and think "It would behoove me keep that out of power."
OK. Then why are you blaming the left? If it's basic human decency to vote against Trump, why aren't moderate Republicans Harris was campaigning for responsible for this loss? Why do you demand the left elect your politicians out of sense of empathy, even though the Democrats don't want address the issues that are important to them, but these moderates that the entire campaign was tailored to aren't held to the same standards? Why do you expect more decency from the people you ignore than the people you campaign for?
So then why didn't Biden step down in time to have a real primary instead of ignoring issues and having the DNC run a candidate whos never won a primary delegate from voting? That would have very much helped keep Trump out of power. Or is the most powerful man in the country immune from the same critisicm you give the voters who had to take time off work to even show up?
"Do our candidates suck in a popularity contest? No, it's the voters who are wrong."
We're fucked with Trump because they think like this.
Funny, but I don't think anyone could beat Trump. Low information voters don't care that his term benefited from Obama's economy or that Biden suffered from Trump's. They just want Trump economy again.
You know what the difference between Harris and Trump is? The difference is that the right actually likes their guy. And when the base likes their guy, that excitement resonates with voters.
Running a milquetoast candidate that nobody actually likes didn't work in 2016. We barely got away with it in 2020, but it should never have been so close. And now that it isn't working this year, should we try to actually learn a lesson here, or would you rather just keep blaming the left for everything?
Do you want to just do the same thing and expect different results in 2028?
I find it amazing that no one seems to have any sense of... well, really, fucking anything anymore. Self-preservation, empathy, pragmatism, whatever. It amazes me that people can sit by and let the place burn around them, and then turn around and say, "Hey, maybe you should've made me want to save myself and my neighbors."
I am just as horrified as you are that more than half the country got excited about a man who's actively aiming to destroy it. But you are blaming the wrong people.
The question I am asking you is, what lesson will you learn from this? If pointing fingers at the left is all you can do, we will lose 2028 too.
Its so very pragmatic to turn on South American and Muslim voters, look at how well we did with that strategy /s
You don't actually think you're getting another election in '28, do you? Because I don't think you will.
You're fear mongering, of course we'll have an election in 2028.
And Ivanka will win it with 98% of the vote, just like Putin does.
Democrats have to cater to like three different and mostly separate agendas to win. Republicans only have to cater to one. I think the problem is we've been expecting Dems to pull off what is essentially impossible.
No they don't, that's just lies the Dems keep repeating.
Progressive issues are overwhelmingly popular in the U.S. Exit interviews and polling shows that in the key swing states, ignoring progressive issues is what made voters dissatisfied with Harris. If they had let Harris run a progressive campaign, I think it is very likely they could have won.
The only two agendas the Dems are pulled between are the agendas of their corporate donors who don't care if they win, and a progressive agenda that could actually win them elections. They overwhelmingly choose their corporate donors every time, and then hope progressives will keep them in office because they have no other choice.
"Give us better standards of living so people don't consider fascism as the solution to any and every problem."
Instead we got her being Dick Cheney's friend and wanting Republicans in the cabinet. And people saw someone catering to Republicans and went "I guess I'll vote for Republican".
10 friends decide to go out together for dinner. After some discussion they narrow it down to pizza or tacos, then vote. 3 choose pizza, 2 choose tacos, and 5 don't vote because they don't want pizza and even though they do like tacos, they don't like the salsa at the taco place. Whose fault is it they are eatting pizza?
And that’s all anyone really needs to understand about how not voting helped Trump.
Well said.
Kamala spent her campaign shitting on the actual left and trying to appeal to Modern Republicans it didn't work out for. This is not The fault of the actual left. Shaming people for not voting doesn't work as we saw in this election and in 2016.
Guess it doesn't matter though since we won't have more elections now.
This was a fundamental rejection of the message the Dems carried. Trotting around Liz Cheney and trying to appeal to moderate republicans while their own voterbase thought "fuck you", you are republicans from 20 years ago. I doubt this is the lesson they will take from this.
Jesus, this must have been what the KPD sounded like on 1932.
The only thing the right have ever had going for them is that the left is so impossibly stupid.
Fucking insane people are blaming voters and not the Dem candidate who spent most of her time talking about how she's for things we called fascist and evil 4 years ago...
But we all knew regardless of what happened one thing would never change:
"Moderates" would blame progressives and say this proves the Dem party needs to be more conservative.
It doesn't fucking work, stop insisting "lesser of two evils" will ever be a valid campaign strategy when the "greater evil" isn't currently in office.
Should it work? Sure, it should.
But it fucking doesn't so why do we keep trying it?
Ah the progressive vote, never big enough to change a single policy for, just big enough to scapegoat all of their errors onto.
Look at exit polling and progressives are the most reliable Dem voting block...
Where you're confused is that progressive policy also gets traditional non voters out to the polls.
So if someone only ever looks at the surface and doesn't really understand American politics, I can understand why they'd conflate that with progressives never voting.
But that's not what it is.
Look at 08 Obama, or even 92 Clinton.
We know what works, the DNC just refuses to let a candidate like that into the general.
The donor class is why. The US is ruled by corporations and billionaires. The entire capital class threw their weight behind trump.. money rules everything so the Dems need to Pander to the rich and corpos.
They didn't just pay trump
They paid the only other option too, knowing that what she would have to do for the money helped Trump's chances more than donating to him directly would.
Kamala and the DNC were obsessed with raising money, but none of them know how to spend it to get votes.
They got blinded by the dollar signs and we're all fucked. Doubly so if we don't use the next four years to plan for 2028. If current DNC leadership won't step down for a new direction it's time to start a new party