We're the healthiest and smartest generation in the last hundred or so years on average per person, yet due to a variety of systemic factors we're all totally handicapped to producing positive changes towards helping one another let alone many, and it's largely down to our systems being completely shit.
Companies want people to be healthy and smart to do work. But they also want people to be divided to smaller groups (e.g. bullshit rule about not telling your salary to coworkers). And companies pay as less as people can withstand so we will want to work more. And by working more we are more closed minded and angry and don't have a time to be kinder.
Idk if that's makes sense, but I'm just sad because of inequality and people (poor, short sighted people) willing to defend it.
Citation needed. The smartest and healthiest generation might have been GenX instead, GenZlers have seen overall decline in health, live expectancy and mental health.
It's controversial merely because he said biggest. I l, and most likely many others, would argue that the bigger problem is the fact that we have introduced so much greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere that life as we are now will be impossible a hundred years from now
I think the bigger issue is how to maximize individual freedom while preventing school shootings, dictators and potential oppressors from taking control of systems
Society & civilizations are formed & developed to bring us to a state beyond mere survival, and the extent to which a society/civilization fails to uplift & provide for those within it to live fuller lives not preoccupied with surviving is a deep mark against its sociability and civility.
Worse still are those that do not merely fail to do so, but those that actively resist doing so, with some twisted notion of the virtues of survival amid society (see: social Darwinism & related misanthropic ideologies).
We currently live in a thriving bully culture. Every stupid fucking political issue were focused on is either preventing bullying or encouraging bullying. I think its about time we recognized that a huge percent of humans get a dopamine/feel good boost when they shit on other people. This counts for things as vague and superficial as someones appearance, up to whether or not someone should have rights.
Velcro is fine. It shouldn't just be for kids shoes: shoelaces are like ties: a pointless time waster we should have ditched as soon as we invented velcro.
I got the velcro on my motorbike boots replaced at a shoe repair shop, a whole €12 to get another couple of years use out of them seemed likes bargain. New boots like them are €150 at least
Velcro doesn't do well with pulling forces over a long period of time, and it doesn't do well with dirt and dust. We would all be adjusting our velcro all the time. Also shoelaces are easier to replace, and can be used to apply pressure to multiple parts of a shoe much easier than velcro. Think about shoes like converse or docs where they need to be held upwards and along the foot and leg shape, it would be very hard and annoying for velcro to do the same.
(I have my 9mm beretta, an uzi, a kalishnakov machine gun I picked up in the Congo, 6 grenades, a machete and and broad sword and I'm going up on that hill over there so you come and take me down. C'mon all you motherfuckers try and say otherwise, pizza purist pussies!)
Representative Democracies have failed (are failing) like all other political ruling systems have failed so far. Some failed just faster than others that failed more catastrophically while some fail silently (agonizing). In the end all systems failed.
Is your argument only that democratic republics will fail? Are you arguing that it would be better to implement democracy in a different way, or that it should be foregone altogether? I imagine most people would agree that they inevitably fail, but not that there is a better option.
I intentionally wrote: representative democracies. I'm not aware of any ongoing implementation of complete direct democracy, not even in Switzerland so I can't tell for those.
Nowadays you can cause riots by saying: Humans come in XY and XX chromosomes by genetic program, the correct expression of this genetic program leads to male or female genitalia and there's currently no medical or surgical procedure to change that, no matter how much you insist. So that was one notch less controversial.
Not controversial with politically literate people, but bigots, fascists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc., shouldn't get a platform to spew their shit. Public or private, doesn't matter. And any effort by them to acquire one needs to be put down.
It shocked me when my friends pushed back when I explained why Rogan shouldn't have those people on his show with a freeze peach argument. Those people deserve nothing but a sock full of batteries.
I disagree with, and despise people who spew hate speech and other bigoted bs...but I also don't believe in using violence against anyone merely because I disagree with their words. I think most reasonable people could perceive how that might become a "slippery slope".
It might, but at this point the kid gloves have to come off. We're coming ever closer to climate catastrophe, and we get nothing but platitudes and half measures. Wages are nowhere near to liveable, and we get nothing but a boot to the face. Hateful bigots have free roam to spew their shit in the streets, internet, radio and print, and now they run the government and spew their shit with no consequences and we get their hatespeech converted to policy.
Ahh, yes. The hallmark of the supposedly "politically literate". Wanting to physically beat everyone who doesn't agree. Truly the most enlightened of stances.
"doesn't agree" here meaning "is trying to strip minorities of their rights". Just a little intolerance should be tolerated.
Edit: I read some of their comment history, don't bother engaging them. Full mask off shit. Favorite quote: "I don't give a singular fuck about voting rights."
That the mental health system in the US is fundamentally broken due to the general attitude toward suicidality. As I understand it, the general and medical view of suicidality is that suicide cannot be allowed under any circumstances. Anyone acting in ways that seem like they could realistically lead to suicide must be stopped, by force if necessary. To this end, not only is it considered morally correct to report suicidal people to the proper authorities, but it is actually mandated in many cases.
This seems perfectly reasonable from the perspective of most people - suicide wreaks terrible havoc on the lives of the people around the victim, after all, on top of the general loss of life. This holds especially true because most suicide attempts are spur-of-the-moment decisions that have not been thought through, and these cases have a very good chance of recovery if they are talked down. As far as I am aware, the majority of people who have been brought back from suicide attempts are grateful for the second chance.
But this leaves a rather large class of people behind, who are in such anguish for one reason or another that suicide seems like the only option. These are not people who kill themselves on a whim - they are people who have considered the ramifications of such an action for sometimes decades.
If one of these people determines that suicide is the right choice, this essentially traps them in a space where they can no longer be helped. They cannot reach out to literally anyone, because everyone from their therapist to their friends to their relatives are likely to call in an intervention and involuntarily imprison them in a psychiatric ward. And even worse - these people do this in a genuine attempt to help, completely unaware of the paradox this creates.
To someone of this mindset, evoking an intervention of that nature is simply not an option. If one is in such pain that suicide seems like the only escape, then removing that escape is by definition worse than a death sentence. It seems a special kind of cruelty, the last remaining thing the world can do to ensure you feel every last second of this pain it has in store for you. To these people, their autonomy is often the very last thing they have left, and it is incredibly precious.
And so, the only route left is to suffer in silence, slowly regressing until the day they actually kill themselves. After a certain threshold where speaking about their mental state risks imprisonment, they are effectively already lost - because even if something could still be done to help them, the perceived risk is too high to ever reach for it.
I was in such a state for many years, and was lucky enough to be able to return on my own to a level where I feel 'eligible for mental help' again. However, I feel as if most people who reach that level are not so fortunate, and it twists my heart to know what we are inadvertently inflicting upon these poor, invisible people. There has to be a better way to approach this.
Just look at Canada's scandals around MAID and you'll see why allowing it can lead to severe problems including inconvenient people being pressured into choosing suicide.
Granted, I fully acknowledge that. I don't think having state-sponsored suicide is the answer either, just that people need to be able to discuss their feelings freely somehow.
You are so spot on. Unfortunately I do not know a better solution. If most suicides are spur of the moment and can be stopped by immediate intervention, then the policy makes sense. How can we handle those edge cases that ruminate and are stuck with suicidal thoughts?
Sometimes victim blaming is valid. We as people can take mitigating actions to avoid trouble. And a lot of people just don't.
E.g. people who don't look before crossing a road at crosswalks. It's the vehicles fault for hitting you. But you could have easily prevented it by having a modicum of self-preservation
Yeah I mostly agree with this. Like, sometimes a victim can cause something to happen without deserving the outcome. Nobody deserves to be mauled by a lion, but jumping into a lion cage will cause that to happen, and I won't feel bad for you.
Whether you stand on the left or the right, the two party system essentially produces a trend where both parties walks lock step in the same direction, if your in group A and you screw up at life, group B can pay to subsidize your mistakes.
Replace group A or B with whatever class or caste label you believe your in according to Marxist theory and you've got the end result of the two party system right there.
Can't wait to donate to an actual party policy rather than just a party with some beers, virtue signalling placards and rainbow flags
That the human brain hardware has not evolved in the past 2000 years, and classical religions are by far not the only means to induce entire populations (spanning multiple nations and continents) into believing false things. Modern advertising symbolism is often the new religion that motivates the mind, and people do not demonstrate nearly enough self-awareness of the side-effects of peer pressure induced by modern marketing/advertising. We are in an increasing race to the bottom of the flaws of the human brain that was never prepared for recording and unlimited playback of images, sounds, motion video, etc. All of humanity is under threat, and Carl Sagan's 1995 book calls this out, among others, such as Neil Postman's 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death. Trickle Down Economics may be a bullshit deception, but Trickle Down Memes and Symbols are very real, and we are entering another Dark Ages, this time planet-wide.
“Finnegans Wake is the greatest guidebook to media study ever fashioned by man.” - Marshall McLuhan, Newsweek Magazine, page 56, February 28, 1966.
You mean Carl Sagan's masterwork a demon haunted world? I picked that up again earlier this year and had a good laugh at how correct he was. It did keep pointing out that engagement/understanding is needed with the other sides. 10/10 would recommend it before cosmos or pale blue dot. He does such a good job trying to communicate his points in a nice and compassionate way. Sadly when I recommend it people assume it's the atheist manifesto or something?
You mean Carl Sagan’s masterwork a demon haunted world?
yep.
It did keep pointing out that engagement/understanding is needed with the other sides.
"The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is in its polarization: Us vs. Them — the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you’re sensible, you’ll listen to us; and if not, you’re beyond redemption. This is unconstructive… Whereas, a compassionate approach that from the beginning acknowledges the human roots of pseudoscience and superstition might be much more widely accepted. If we understand this, then of course we feel the uncertainty and pain of the abductees, or those who dare not leave home without consulting their horoscopes, or those who pin their hopes on crystals from Atlantis." - Sagan
Everyone is mocking an out-group or the other since 2014, it's reached saturation.... inescapable. Echo chamber thinking has become routine, exactly opposite of Pale Blue Dot thinking.
I agree that its ideal, but how would you even do that? Its so engrained into peoples' brains that I doubt it could even happen unless the vast majority of people agreed to not teach the concept to their children.
You're being bullied for believing that we shouldn't accept other cultures and we should accept other cultures instead. You immigrate in my country? You're learning my language, my culture. Not vica versa.
I didn't get in your country, you did. It's not your action that lead you to that point.
I mean, think of it like somebody gets in your family's home, and suddenly you have to adjust to their standards, not vica versa. Isn't that weird?
Why do we not do the same for countries? Because ""we're empathetic""? No we're not empathetic, our governments just want cheap, illegal labor. Which means, stealing the cheap labor from legal people who already have it in need. Or our children who turned to an age that they can work and can learn basic principles of working.
Look at France right now. Look at Greece, where ~70% of the crimes are committed by non-Greeks. Obviously, coz these people came from a country that either threw them away or from a radical country that they learned to behave like that from there.
But apparently if you say that, you're racist. No, I dont care about those people. I'm not afraid of those people. I would happily be friends with any of these people. But they're from a different culture, different country, and there can't be no demand to appropriate to THEIR culture. They get in your country, they should appropriate to YOUR culture, not vica versa.
I agreed. Also the mindset that we should adapt to immigrants cultures hurts immigrants more. We should provide education and resources to help them adapt.
Who is forcing you to adjust to their culture? As far as I know, all you have to do is not directly hinder their ability to maintain their own culture in a new place. I think you might be overestimating what is expected of you.
No you come to my country you appropriate to my culture. Otherwise, as it happens nowadays, if 10, 20, 30% are Shahid then stay at a country where they appropriate the shahid culture. Why you come to a country where they appropriate the Christian culture? It’s just weird. Don’t you wanna be with your fellow Shahids? Or Jihads? We don’t have Mosques for those cultures, now what we have to build and occupy area for other cultures? Are from my country? For someone else’s culture? That’s just mixing culture until the (illegal 99% and no they’re not “refugees” as TV likes to call them) immigration becomes so high that you just made your culture mine by occupying space and minds of the land I used to live with your own mosques your own protest ideologies and you live mostly by crime because why else come from a country with no war and you’re illegally paying thousands to get on illegal boats to come to Europe.
Downvote me all you want. Ethics have blurred your minds because it makes you feel better person coz “you accept people with needs”. No man, they’re illegal immigrants who have no right to come here and we exploit them, we don’t help them, for cheap labor to the point where they start doing crimes.
I’ve made even an excel sheet from trustworthy sources (my country itself released those) where despite the non Greek people are less than 10%, like 700k if we exclude EU citizens, they produce 70% of the crimes. This, is a statistic. Not “an ethic” principle. Not soft science. Hard robust statistics.
So, no, I ironically from really leftist in terms of Immigration and helping those people, went to “fuck it, this has many flaws and these people learned to live a different way and they don’t come here to make ethical business”
As a Brazilian, you are forgetting that the reason why "3rd world countries" immigrate to "1st world countries" is because the latter exploited the former as colonies to the max: Brazil, India, Morocco, Senegal, Mexico, list goes on.
1st world countries only could deliver this level of wellbeing to their citizens because some countries were being exploited at the bottom.
When 3rd world citizens watch videos of people of their own country working for Ifood/Uber on the US and making 5x as much due to how shitty their national economy is, the decision to immigrate is obvious. It's really ironic if you think about it that 1st world countries have to pay out of their own pockets to rescue, give food, shelter and pay basic health care for descendants of people their own ancestors exploited
A.I. should replace world leaders and it should administer our resources and the fact that we are not working towards that goal is worrying since the future and survival of humankind probably hinges on solving problems that the current leadership wont solve due to them being greedy short term obsessed pigs and just replacing them with other humans its just gonna keep the corruption cycle going.
Minorities (race/gender/religion/sexual orientation/gender identity/whatever) should be treated equally but not treated specially (no affirmative action/positive or negative stereotypes/etc) including celebrations/holidays or acknowledgements that they are the first XYZ person to do ABC. Those kind of details should be as utterly unremarkable as someone having a different eye color, different hair color, innie/outie belly button, being left- or right-handed, etc.
Otherwise, they are being given consideration based on some arbitrary trait rather than on character or other merits. And that consideration only serves to accentuate and widen the divide.
That dogs don't belong in cities. There should be a demarcation where dogs are not allowed to be and where it's illegal to own them. They are disgusting...
On average Black people have a lower IQ and and higher testosterone than White people. On average White people have a lower IQ and higher testosterone than Asians.
High testosterone is associated with violence.
There is a similar birth curve where black people on average have more babies but fewer survive than white and white more and fewer survive than Asian.
This explains birth rate differences and why mixing populations causes strange social effects.
These are provably correct but any discussion about it is considered taboo and controversial.
Whether the IQ part is true or not, there's basically no reason for the average person to bring it up or account for it. Doing so doesn't do anything except provide fuel for bigotry.
You also made a number of assumptions about the causes for lower IQ, survival rates, etc. It doesn't necessary have to be the result of anything inherent in the people. For example, economic disparity can also have an impact. Let's not forget that segregation in the US wasn't even that long ago: in the US at least, blacks essentially were robbed of generational wealth, educational opportunities. They had a higher chance of ending up in areas polluted by industry, forced to move by eminent domain, etc. Even today, people with black-sounding names are significantly (I recall around 50%) less likely to get a call back for job interviews.
IQ really doesn't just measure intelligence in a complete vacuum. Education is a factor, and people can learn to get better scores on IQ tests.
Finally, let's say for the sake of argument people with a certain skin color are just plain 10% intelligent. If you meet a random person, what does that tell you? You have no idea of whether that person is more or less intelligent than the average even if the odds are slightly higher that they'd be less intelligent. Intelligence also isn't necessarily that valuable all by itself: what's the point of a super powerful sports car with bald tires or an empty gas tank? One also has to be able to apply those abilities in a constructive way: so attitude, motivation, work ethic, etc are also all very important.
It wouldn't be hard for someone, let's say 20% less intelligent but that is dedicated to learning, analyzing their problems and is motivated to outperform someone that is 20% more intelligent but lazy and unmotivated.
The problem comes up when making policy. Let's say there are green people who average 10% less intelligent than purple people, and that jobs for smart people pay better than jobs for stupid people. Waving a magic wand to end racial prejudice and provide equal schools, safety, housing, and food would still leave the average green person worse off than the average purple person. You could wave the magic wand to end racial inequality of opportunity until your arm falls off and not get rid of the average pay gap between green and purple people because less intelligent people are being paid less no matter whether they are green or purple but more of them are green. If you want the average green person to be as well off as the average purple person, you need to make jobs for stupid people pay as well as jobs for smart people or take money from the mostly-purple rich and give it to the mostly-green poor.
If you are a commoner in an absolute monarchy or a subject in a dictatorship, maybe it's best for you to forget about that because policy-making is in the hands of your betters. But you probably live in a democracy which means you have a small say in policy and need to think about whether a policy will do what you want before you support it.
I have a thought that's been rolling around in my head for awhile about your belief, and it kinda has to do with my curiosity of why someone would care enough in the first place to find, study the statistics and repeat them. To believe them.
Ostensibly it would be to make one feel better about their place in the world, as we humans are always trying to find it, to find ways to elevate it own place, or even to excuse ourselves for not being where we should be on the social stratosphere.
But even if one accepts this premise as true, no one thinks that it is binary, right? What i mean is, no one thinks EVERY black person has higher T than every white person, or that the lowest IQ whitey has a higher one than the smartest black guy. So a venn diagram. (One that if it even exists would be in my estimation a near-perfect circle, but that's where the debate lies isn't it?)
So my point is, why care at all? Isn't it moot? Who even cares if Tim is smarter than Tyrone if Tim isn't the smartest white? I personally believe our boy timmy should spend their time on self improvement. Once they find themselves a better version then before they might discover they don't actually need someone to tell them they're special just for being born.
I love this thread. It asks for controversial opinions. Then when it's given, people go "Buuuu!!! Downvote!" Because the controversial opinion was controversial.