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The people "ranting about cancel culture" are not the generalized group "Christians." What can you do though? Lemmy fully embraces hate against Christians.
Yeah Christians are so persecuted. I feel so bad for them. Good thing you're here to defend them or they wouldn't be that most powerful group in the country.
Your response makes no sense, I never said they were. I said this meme is inaccurate and that Lemmy embraces hate against Christians.
Ok I'll spell it out for you instead of joking around then. This meme is incredibly accurate. There has been nothing in human history that has caused more pain and harm than religion and Christianity is the worst offender. It absolutely deserves critique and you're being unreasonable for saying that Lemmy is wrong for doing so.
Delusional. Also Lemmy doesn't criticize religion, it just promotes hatred for Christianity in the general sense. If the same memes were posted about Muslims moderators would remove them.
I actually agree with you that Islam is equal levels of shit compared to Christianity. "Islamophobia" is a bullshit word that I'm still confused why it exists. Of course people are afraid of Islam lmao.
Still though, the death tolls thanks to both religions are so high you can't even find estimates. Who knows which one killed more millions of people.
Yeah, the fact that parts of Lemmy actually seems to embrace radical Idlam because it "fights the west" is pretty uncomfortable.
There you go again pretending that Christianity is being oppressed when: 1) it's not and 2) it deserves to be so even if you weren't full of shit it would be appropriate
Hi, Jew here. You have no fucking idea what hatred means. Oh boo hoo, people were mean to your religion on the Internet.
I'm guessing no one ever kicked the shit out of you personally because you were a Christian. I wish I could say the same.
I'll leave it to you to guess what religion the people who have done that to me adhered to. Hint: Not Islam, Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Baha'i, Wicca, Unitarian Universalism or any traditional indigenous religions.
Hate isn't canceling. If people were shutting down churches or demonizing random church goers for being church goers you'd be right... but they aren't.
An anecdote is not evidence of a culture of cancelling.
I thought that the article being from this morning would say enough, but I mean... https://www.christianpost.com/news/436-acts-of-hostility-against-us-churches-documented-in-2023.html
Nobody would fuck with churches if churches stayed quiet and stopped trying to impose their morality on the rest of us. Because of religion we are losing fundamental human rights. I'd be pissed too.
Ok, you are entitled to your opinion, but the claim was that Christian churches and Christian church goers weren't being targeted or "demonized," which I've shown is false. Both with an example from yesterday morning, and an aggregate data set which shows some level of significance. Now, whether you want to argue if it is deserved, or proportional, or whatever else is up to you and your morals. However, the original claim that Christians are not the target of harassment because of their religious affiliation is simply not true.
I don't hate the believer, I hate the beliefs. /s
Don't like the fact that you belong to a group known for being shitty? Clean your fucking house or leave the group. Don't tell us they don't belong in your group. Tell them.
But if all the horrible people left Christianity, they wouldn't be the dominant religion anymore, and they can't have that!
Why shouldn't I hate Christians? Or Muslims? They cause nothing but pain in this world
Don't hate individuals. Hate their doctrine.
Yeah that's fair. I still don't like to get very close to religious people though just due to past trauma in my life.
Don't hate fascists, hate fascism.
What was the religion of most of the most harmful people of the 20th century?
What was the religion of most of the most harmful people of the 20th century?
Money.
I would agree to some extent, but say it would be power/control.
Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
The lie the new atheist movement led everyone to believe was that religion is the problem, and that when we get rid of religion then everyone will be happy and get along. America is the furthest from religion it has been in its history, are things going great?
On issues motivated by religion, yes, America is moving in the right direction. LGBT acceptance, reproductive rights, etc.
The whole culture is influenced by religion, its not just paticular issues. I would argue that america is literally falling apart right now, and we are in for some serious issues. I understand that much of it can be associated to other things, but I think much of it has to do with loss of purpose and morals.
I can see why you would think that society is failing. You are religiously motivated, and religion consistently falls on the wrong side of issues. As mentioned, LGBTQ. Society is rapidly improving for transgender individuals, despite religiously-motivated efforts to block and reverse such progress. To the religious, this is a failure of society, a degradation of morality.
To trans individuals, their friends and family, it's a sign of improvement, and cause for hope.
Same with reproductive rights. Non-religious people believe that banning abortion creates more tragedy than it prevents. Religious people believe the opposite. So when Ohio, Kansas, and every other state that has asked the question has arrived at a pro-choice answer, religious people think it a failure, and non-religious think it progress.
Religion is losing control of the people. To the religiously-controlled, that's a bad thing. To the non-religious, it's a welcome relief.
I am stepping out from my personal beliefs and looking at things on a cultural level. The problem with your argument is that you are isolating everything and not looking at the overall picture. You cant just point to a thing and say that it is good but not look at the other impacts or influences that caused it to happen or are a consequence. Right now I can look at the overall situation in america and see we have people that lack purpose and unity, and many people that literally want to destroy it all and rebuild it in a false utopia. So even if you think all religion is false you should be able to recognize the overall stability it provided.
Probably not possible to accurately know. Death tolls from all major offenders in the millions
Yeah exactly. If you look at the top bad guys of last century, the names that will roll into your head should be; stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot. And what you will notice as none of those guys had a paticular religion and were maybe even anti religion. So the idea that religion is the thing that causes the harm doesnt make any sense.
Hitler called himself a Christian.
Hitler was not a christian, he literally wanted to get the christian influence out of german society.
Hey look, Christians conveniently claiming that Christians they don't like aren't really Christian!
I really need to learn some slurs for Christians and start using them more
In the private Tabletalk interviews Hitler talked about his deep Christian beliefs, which he had always talked about publicly. He wanted to create a German National Christian church in the same model that England has its own national Christian Church with the King as the head. (Anglicans).
If Hitler wasn't Christian, then British Anglicans (the majority of all Christians in Britain and North Ireland) aren't Christian either.
If he wanted to create a national "church" then it would have been a church to use as a tool/organization, and he was still not a christian. Which would still be the attempted destruction of the church.
So the Church of England, that is the Anglican church aren't Christian?
George H Bush wasn't Christian because he was Anglican?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
And here is Martin Luther, the founder of Protestism:
"burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them"
"to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians"
"to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow"
"We are at fault for not killing them."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
Hitler was only doing what Martin Luther said needed to be done.
In your opinion, which branch of Christianity is actually Christian? Orthodox?
Christianity has killed way more than those individuals could ever dream of
Sure thing bro, commands like "love thy neighbor" just throw people into a murderous craze!
What about two commandments for cheating on your wife? A greater sin than murder lol
It only exists to control people
I will tell you this once because I feel like I am going to waste my time, but maybe it will stick. Christianity has a bunch of rules, and it has nothing to do with controlling people, it has to do with the best functioning society and what is actually good for people. It is the reason why western civilization has done so well for so many centuries. Things like cheating on your wife is bad for society and for the individuals, that is why it is prohibited. My comment is an outside observation of what the religion of christianity does, other religions have different features.
That's why you're not allowed to eat shrimp or wear cotton polyester blends. It's also why you can beat your slaves but not kill them. It also caused the crusades, Salem witch trials, justified slavery in the US, justified the prohibition against interracial marriage, started the KKK, actively works to have women killed if they have a non viable fetus, actively works to kill homosexuals who won't stay in the closet, burns books, is currently committing genocide in Central Africa, molests little boys, caused the Bosnian Genocide, preaches "love thy neighbor" while lynching folks, celebrates when a trans person is shot, sends people to conversion camps that literally tortures them, molests even more kids, blames weather events on gay people, and comes to my fucking house, right to my fucking door, to try to tell me that I need to accept Yeshua ben Yosef or their magic fairy that they don't have any real evidence of is going to spank me.
I don't need that kind of hate to tell me not to go around murdering people. I already don't do that. I don't need it to tell me not to rape. The Bible says that's cool as long as I pay her dad but I'll go a step further and just not rape anyone. I certainly don't need that jackass Paul telling me anything because he didn't teach the same thing Yeshua ben Yosef taught, but there's a whole shit pile of his rules and regulations in the New Testament. And if I wanted a drugged out weirdo telling me about the end times I'd go listen to Crazy Tommy talk about his vision of the Neverending Story while he's dropping acid.
Practice your religion. If it keeps you from raping and killing then I'm all for it. But practice it in your closet, not on the digital street corner for all to see. Because if you do that then you already have your reward.
Christians and religious people in general make up a substantial portion of charitable work around the work. So I think that easily disproves your claim that they cause nothing but pain.
Really your statement just comes across as childish and uninformed probably because of the large amount of propaganda you consume from places like this.
Why shouldn't you hate 55%+ of the world? Do you really believe more than half the people in the world contribute nothing but pain?
Also why didn't you include Jews? They're the root of Abrahamic religion and currently the "Jewish homeland" is engaging in genocide.
It's just silly but also worrying that you could have such a skewed view of reality.
I also feel the same about Jews. There aren't very many religious beliefs I am tolerant of.
Charity and religion have nothing to do with each other btw lol. People can be charitable without being religious.
Christians, for example, are only "charitable" because they are trying to recruit members. Do you have any idea how much wealth is sitting at the top of the catholic church hierarchy?
You already said it yourself, the majority of the world is religious. The two things aren't correlated though.
Now google "residential schools" or "the crusades" for example lol
Apparently you didn't read any of the hundreds of studies mentioned there showing religious people are more charitable.
Yeah to recruit members, it's just a business.
Ever been to eastern Europe and visited the fancy gold plated cathedrals? Notice who is driving the new Mercedes s550 parked in the parking lot, and notice what the church attendees are driving. Charitable my ass.
You have anecdotal claims. They don't rise to the level of proof that the studies I mentioned do. Your claim is easily proven false, it doesn't matter if you can't accept that.
You have anecdotal claims. They don't rise to the level of proof that the studies I mentioned do.
What studies? You posted a Google search and have made about a dozen claims with no backing in his thread alone
Well, go give poland a visit, it's not the watered down version of christianity that americans are subjected to. They literally run the entire country. That's what happens when you let religion take over.
I'm not downvoting you btw, it's kind of refreshing speaking to a religious person on lemmy haha
my brother in hell, if I believed in religion, and my religion says giving some amount to it or someone else gets me express pass to heaven, i'd be donating like crazy too. I'd be donating more if I know I've done horrible things and need more "blessing."
The charity doesn't negate the bad things religion has done.
Charity is good. Charity in the name of god or any other purpose is bad.
If Christians didn't hamstring non -Christian groups and government services at every turn, there would be no need for these charities and/or the most popular charities would not be the ones feeding bibles to starving people.
I dont mind Christians being charitable. I do oppose them using it to recruits or to pressure people in need to listen to their preachings. That's not charity that is exploitation. True charity wants nothing in return.
Religious charity work is a recruitment tactic. It exploits the vulnerable, converts them into religious people and voters. And by voting for the right, they'll contribute to the rotting of the very same social services that churches exploit.
I work as a desk clerk in a Hungarian social institution, and the people that should be responsible for mental health instead more preoccupied with converting people to some form of christianity, all while we supposed to be "secular" on paper.
Religion and austerity are good friends.
Yeah they're just the loudest and proudest people who wear crosses around their neck and only vote for other people who are loud and proud of their Christian love wanting to ban anything remotely "sinful." Everyone knows that Christians are the most oppressed in the West! Truly no one knows how hard it is to be a follower of the majority belief, and never need to defend it from the state.
Also here's a brief list of things Christians tried to cancel in the United States: Comic books, rock and roll, jazz, dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering, radio, television, other forms of Christianity, anything remotely queer, Italians, Irish, Chinese, Jews, abolitionists, civil rights marchers, feminists...
And here's the entire list of times Christians were oppressed by laws pushed by non-Christian groups/state actors in the United States and the West in general:
Truly no one knows how hard it is to be a follower of the majority belief
That's the thing, it is the majority belief (well over 50% of the population) and yet the draconian over reach you are complaining about does not have the support of nearly 50% of the population. Therefore there must be a large number of Christians that are also against it. They are on your side. I don't know why you are trying so hard to insist they are your enemy.