United Healthcare CEO gets murdered, many celebrate, lemmy.world mod(s?) pile on the temp bans and delete posts
United Healthcare CEO gets murdered, many celebrate, lemmy.world mod(s?) pile on the temp bans and delete posts
I said something along the lines of:
"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."
Along with
"Nah, the more dead corpos dragons, the better."
In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.
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Good ole' civility clause.
Whats the paradox of tolerance?
.world mods have never heard of it I guess.
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The policy is happening at the lemmy.world level, not the individual mod level.
It's right there in the Terms of Service (which nobody actually ever reads):
https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
"1. Attacks on users or groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."
We faced the same problem in the Politics community when Henry Kissinger died.
Hey look, it’s the shitty Zionist bootlicking mod themselves.
LOL - this you?
A running tally of my proudest moments.
Oh, but I bet you thought that was some kind of gotcha, didn’t you? Like some neckbeard white redditor from Portland is gonna make me feel bad about being uncivil in his fiefdom.
Ouch
No, it means users with a track record of uncivil comments can simply be dismissed with a subtle jerking off motion.
Your opinions are always the same, have no value, add nothing to the communities in which you pretend to participate.
I've seen your pictures, I'm sure you're pretty familiar with that motion.
Case in point. Kisses!
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.
So lemmy.world forbids discussion about hunting?
About fishing?
About organized industrial agriculture?
About austerity measures?
About prison systems?
About police?
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I'll give you that my comment about hoping more corpos die actually breaks those rules, but uh, I'm using lemmy on mobile, through an app.
It would be helpful to list this rule in the instance sidebar that mobile users can actually see.
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But anyway, this says nothing about celebrating or joking about a violence that has already happened.
Celebration and jokes, on their own, are not threats nor calls for violence.
If you wanna say that you're not allowed to celebrate or joke about violence that happened to a person or thing, without threatening or calling for further violence (like my smiling comment, and many other recently deleted for tos comments) it would probably be a good idea to actually have a rule for that.
... Also, can you harass or perpetuate violence against a dead person?
... Is it considered violence if you mock a dead person? Harassment?
Yeah, that’s some lib shit if I’ve ever seen it. There’s no reason to write the rules so narrowly, but if you do and you coincidentally only enforce it against people threatening power, you deserve the vegan police in your reports constantly.
But I’m not calling for violence. It already happened. And it’s not against something living, at least not anymore.
A fox attacks a hen house.
Reporters: The foxes have been eating the hens for decades. Here's why that's good for the hens.
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The hens fight back
Reporters: looks like the hens are beginning to eat the foxes. The hens look angry, yet with a sense of joy about them.
Judges: straight to jail.
(Made a little edit for fun)
living creature.
seems odd to remove posts with this rule, as the creature is already dead 🤔🤔
Ok, challenge accepted: every instance I come across from .world that has any indication of violence against anything living, well, I'll be reporting that, and I expect the mods to follow up on it quickly.
I'll start with the gardening instances, since plants do feel pain, and thus any pruning/harvesting/etc is an act of violence, and I'm surprised the .world mods haven't shut down such a violent instance.
Wait, they need to be banned outright, actually, because in order to garden, users are going to have to suggest that people dig into the dirt, and that's a pretty blatant call of violence against all organisms, including those at the microscopic level.
Better delete the woodworking instance too, since the only way to work with wood is to kill a tree and dismember its body, often skinning it immediately after it's been sawed off at the knees, juuuuuuust fresh enough to feel all the pain but not enough to fight back.
What an absolute joke.
Many of us .world mods had nothing to do with these deletions and bannings and I would caution you against this sort of flag abuse in the communities I moderate. It looks like you have already started.
If you have an issue with what happened with the mods in c/news, don't take it out on the rest of us.
We hardly ever even delete comments in Ten Forward, let alone ban people.
Ooooh, he cautions us. How scary. I’m shivering in my bunny slippers here.
Cool. And if you do what this person did in communities I moderate, you will be banned just like they are. And if you were uncivil to someone like this in a community I moderated, the comment would be deleted.
So if you prefer "this is a fact" to "I caution you," go with that. I was trying to be nicer about it.
Or you could clarify your instance wide rules, which were apparently the justification for deleting a lot of what just got deleted?
I'm not gonna go around report flagging everything, I'm not that petty, and I don't know who's in charge of instance wide vs community specific rules, but maybe the core lemmy admin/mod crew should all actually clarify that you're not allowed to joke about or celebrate people's deaths, and that you don't actually mean that any threat of violence toward any living thing is actually against TOS.
How are they my rules? Do you think I wrote them? Do you think I'm even an admin?
I can't clarify shit about what I didn't write and had no input on.
Sorry, I realized that and edited my post, but you replied very quickly.
I do not mean to call you out personally.
Point I'm trying to make is:
It would be cool if whoever is in charge of the instance wide rules made those rules actually reflect the kinds of 'violations' that are enforced, when those rules are specifically, and largely nonsensically, cited as explaining how and why certain comments are violations.
It's not flag abuse. It's clearly written in the instance TOS.
"We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."
Dude, do you think a meme with Jean-Luc Picard holding a gun is a threat or a call for violence in any form against any living creature?
Because I hate to tell you this, but Star Trek isn't real and Picard can't threaten anyone or cause anyone any violence.
I reported things that belong to the .world instance, and therefore fall under the .world rules under the .world Terms of Service we all agreed to.
I have nothing against you or your community, and hope you're doing well healthwise.
But I've also seen you rail against "not all cops are bad" as the lie you know it is in various comment sections, and now you're using the same excuse as to why your forum shouldn't be criticized. "We're not part of that, bring it up with them, even though we belong to the same org."
The rules apply to all of the forums on the instance, or it should apply to none of them. And if such radical thinking, the notion rules should be applied evenly and not be so broad to allow anything to meet the definition, results in me being banned from .world, then I welcome it.
Dude, you're pissed off at one group of people (actually, it looks like one specific person) and attacking a totally different group because of it. That's what is going to get you banned. But it also sounds like that's what you want to happen, so I guess enjoy that.
If it's one specific person, shouldn't the rest of you, y'know, do something about it?
What do you expect me to do about the one specific person they are pissed off at? Even if they are justifiably pissed off, what exactly do you think it is in my power to do?
I'd assume that the rest of the mods could stop a rogue mod from blatantly abusing their power. But if you can't, nevermind.
First of all, Jordan is in no way a "rogue mod."
Secondly, Ten Forward mods (and mods in other communities that have nothing to with this) can't do anything about News mods. This guy is just taking it out on us because he apparently can't take it out on who he wants to take it out on. And they're reporting a ton of posts.
They reported a fucking meme with Picard holding a gun for fuck's sake. I didn't even know any of this shit was going on until this started.
Oh Jordan is absolutely a rogue mod and always has been. I've seen his work before.
Dude regularly removes stuff that doesn't break any rules.
And enjoy Lemmy's further decline into Reddit 2.0.
Or is that going to get me banned too?
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.
Oh, you can fuck right off with that bullshit. I'm going to go swat the fly buzzing around in my kitchen and I hope that others will join me in swatting flies and even squishing ants in our houses.
...See what an idiotic policy that is?
kill every single bot fly.
Policy isn't the problem, it's the biased and overzealous enforcement.
I can't see which mod is doing it in the modlog, but just a quick glance found 5 removed comments that don't break any (visible) rules.
You ever notice that you only circle the wagons to defend the worst? Always seem to go out of your way to do it too. I don't see any threats in that picture. Nothing that even could be reasonably called a threat. Yet up pops Jordan to save the day. Almost like clockwork.
Best or worst doesn't enter into it, it's simply policy. People might not LIKE that it's the policy, more likely they never read the policy in the first place.
As somebody else pointed out, the policy is calls for violence against living creatures. What is the connection with being happy that somebody has already died?
Seems more like opinion than policy to me.
Calls for violence? Like the 3,473 daily posts about guillotining billionaires?
Any way, I'm glad he's dead.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."
Modlogs are public...
They're being waaaaay stricter than that.
