Reminder that Jews for Hitler & the Log Cabin Republicans are things that exist or have existed.
I think I heard about the first one.
Were they the ones that thought he was joking and voted for him because they thought it would be funny?
“Leopards ate my face” exclaimed the Face-Eating Leopard supporter.
"I never thought the face eating leopards would eat my face!"
I love that sub Reddit
We have it on Lemmy as well! :D
More moron than oxy
Moron on Oxy
Or, as the Germans would say, Moron ohne Oksi
Same with Latinos for Trump which is a real group.
they don't even have to be from trump.
so much of my extended family came over without papers, but managed to get them and now they want that trump wall built and want immigrants banned and the last election proves that it's a common thread among all latinos.
most of the ones in rural texas and suburban florida like trump; every one else hates him and there's no in between somehow; but hating on new immigrants is common everywhere.
"I got mine, fuck you," they're living the American Dream.
I work with immigrants mostly on work visas, and they all seem to support stricter immigration controls. Look at Vivek Ramiswamy, his parents are immigrants and he's hardcore about restricting immigration.
They're just pulling the ladder up behind themselves...
That said, there are others, like Nikki Haley (I think her parents are immigrants too), who take a much more reasonable approach to make it easier to come legally and harder to come illegally. I don't like her other policies, but it's nice seeing a Republican from an immigrant family oppose Trump and his stupid border policies.
Yeah it's such a weird attitude because I bet they didn't come over the border. The vast majority of illegal immigration into the United States comes from people overstaying their visas, I don't see what a wall is going to do to stop that. Well I do see what a wall is going to do to stop that, nothing at all.
As they say a 30 ft wall can be beaten by 31 ft ladder, but equally you could just take the plane flying at 12,000 ft
I spoke with a dude from Ukraine the other day and my mind was blown. He was going on about immigrants and the wall. He actually said, “They want to destroy our culture.” I said to him, “Dude, with your accent there are people who immediately feel that way about you when they hear you speak.” It was like he didn’t even hear me. Then he went on about Muslims in Europe and said something like, “We can’t relate to those people and they don’t want to fit in, they want to take over. The Muslims are worse but they’re doing the same thing coming up here from down south.”
In his mind he was the good immigrant. All the other ones are bad.
I don’t know. The world is neat.
Latinos make sense though. Latinos are a diverse group with anyone from the old Spanish rancher to the immigrant Venezuelan to the anti-communist Cuban. They are employed in many sectors of the economy especially in the southwest US such as natural gas, oil and energy. Some Latino families are first and second generation, but many are much farther removed such as the families where the border moved over them. Catholicism is dominant in Latin America.
There are a number of factors that drive latinos towards conservative politics
Meat elects meat grinder.
It's important to acknowledge the reasons why working class people are voting Republican. It's not productive to just assume they're stupid. The Democratic party has increasingly moved away from being the party of the middle class, and they have built their messaging around academic social ideologies that a lot of working Americans don't like, don't agree with, or don't understand. We (as in we liberals) understand that the Republican party is fully committed to the benefit of the wealthy, but they've done an outstanding job with messaging for the middle class. The Democrats are realizing pretty late in the game that you can't just assume unlimited support from the middle class because their policies might benefit them. The Democrats need to tell the people why voting Democrat is good for the middle class, and they've completely ignored that necessity for years now. Trump only lost to razor thin margins in 2020 because the Democrats were too busy pushing an agenda that doesn't resonate with a lot of middle class citizens.
It’s not productive to just assume they’re stupid.
Stupid, no. But they are ignorant, sometimes willfully, but many times life gave them little opportunity to be educated. A lack of education is ultimately the reason for their beliefs, and their ideology now mistrusts the very tools they could use to educate themselves. In its place is religion, gut feelings, and tradition.
An uneducated human is, tragically, very easy to manipulate.
The Democratic party has increasingly moved away from being the party of the middle class, and they have built their messaging around academic social ideologies that a lot of working Americans don’t like, don’t agree with, or don’t understand.
Realize that the goalposts (or overton window) here will always shift. No matter how much or how little the Democratic Party partakes in 'academic idealogies', the Republicans will always demonize them to the extreme, and try their very best to rile up their voting base into a fervor. This all started when the religious right began to take over the Republican Party in the Reagan years, and we are now experiencing the outcome of that.
And at this point, no amount of pandering will make them abandon the very literal cult of Trump. They currently suffer from the same cognitive dissonance that genuine prophecy cults do.
Saying all that, Democrats have lost the trust of so many people because they, in general, are still very corporate-friendly and easily bought by lobbiests, preventing truly meaningful and radically positive change from happening. For every DSA Democrat like Bernie and AOC, there's a hoard of neo-liberal Democrats that sow mistrust amongst the middle and lower classes.
And at this point, no amount of pandering will make them abandon the very literal cult of Trump.
You made a lot of good points that I completely agree with, but I wasn't talking about the Qult. I'm referring to the disaffected Democrats across 206 counties that had supported Obama in 2008 and 2012, which were heavily concentrated in the Midwestern states that propelled him to an Electoral College victory. Trump flipped those 206 counties. That's a lot of loss for a single party, and given their prior support of Obama, I think it's fair to assume they're not drinking the Kool aid. They're dissatisfied with the Democratic party and voicing that dissatisfaction through the only meaningful method available to them, voting for the other guy. I personally don't understand how anyone, anywhere, could ever support trump, but here we are. It's dangerous to ignore these events.
It's not productive to just assume they're stupid.
It's a useful enough shorthand when discussing them as a group.
Democratic party has increasingly moved away from being the party of the middle class, and they have built their messaging around academic social ideologies that a lot of working Americans don't like, don't agree with, or don't understand.
Neoliberals have created managed democracies the world over and these ideologies are the crumbs we get in exchange for making rich people richer.
What good is a Democratic party that doesn't even offer that? Their entire platform would be functionally "better to have corporations writing laws than fascist bigots writing laws", all to gain 12 votes from boomers who don't went to acknowledge their grandchilds pronouns.
The Democrats need to tell the people why voting Democrat is good for the middle class, and they've completely ignored that necessity for years now.
Even assuming they wanted to, where are they going to do that? On a multi-million dollar, for-profit news network that has sworn themselves to their shareholders? Chinese owned TikTok? Elon's revolutionary new social network that's just Twitter with slurs?
America is in a very very deep hole politically and "Republicans vs Republicans Lite" isn't remotely close to good enough.
Coal labor went Trump in 2016 because Hillary said "I'll pay to retrain you in something that won't kill you" and Trump said "I'll put you back in the coal mine". They wanted the latter.
Unfortunately, it's actually important to understand (not assume, but actually accept) that they are stupid and find a way to win their vote anyway. They want to work a Black Lung job because they're afraid to get free education to do another job they're not sure they can handle. So how do you win their vote without actually promising to put them right back where they came? Extra points - they are "too proud" for direct government assistance as well.
I think someone who's in a union or interested in the idea of unions could be convinced why Trump isnt gonna help. Unless this sign is in California.
Pretending democrats are better when they have been working overtime to crush unions is just disgusting. The crushing of unions is a bi-partisan issue. This is only the "latest" example; https://www.cbsnews.com/news/railroad-strike-house-vote-bill-congress-senate/
Idk why this comment is downvoted.
Both parties suck very bad when it comes to unions, and while Republicans suck a little bit more, this shouldn't take attention away from Democrats doing same thing, but softer (TM)
The very system is designed to make you choose between shit and manure.
