Title pretty much says it all. I've been using ubuntu as my daily driver for the last 5 years or so and honestly, I've had a wonderful experience with it.
That said, with the way things are going, I feel like its only a matter of time before Canonical pulls the rug out so I'd like to at least get my feet wet with something other than Ubuntu and Debian seems like the logical choice.
I mainly use my machines for gaming, self hosting, programming, and weird networking projects/automation testing.
I've heard gaming on debian isnt as 'out of the box' as it is with Ubuntu. So I'm hoping somone with more experience can share some tips on what I should be looking out for or point me to some good guides. Thanks yall.
EDIT: I fucking love this community. Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.
Use the net installer. Leave the root password empty if you want sudo installed. There is probably no need for you to read the official installation manual, but maybe do so if you run into any trouble.
There are wiki pages for the most common things you might want to setup, like how to install steam, nvidia driver, enable backports (good way to get (some) newer packages without breakage), and enable flatpak. Just google "debian wiki nvidia" etc.
Yeah it actually says that in the text on that root password screen. But nobody ever reads that, me included. Literally everybody I have told this to was surprised when they hear about it. It's a total UI failure.
If you're already into self hosting, programming, networking and automation then I don't think you'll have any trouble.
With that background you should be able to google the solutions.
Use configuration as code. Ansible, puppet, salt, nix or something else.
Debian is nice but its a diy ubuntu. You appreciate the effort cononical puts in to take away the rough edges on places. Using debian allows you to craft the OS you want from scratch, which is great! Just make sure you don't have to redo work if your system dies at some point.
It's funny, I installed Debian not knowing this, and I had very few rough edges to work out. One setting in Firefox to fix video playback, and I was up and running on my home theater PC.
Switch to Fedora I would say. Debian is up to date currently, as things are settling down to be LTS, but over the years it will get fewer updates. Fedora is even more up to date than Ubuntu, but more stable than Opensuse Tumbleweed, which would be the Opensuse equivalent.
If you want a perfect experience with KDE, I dont know what to recommend but there are bugs that will probably simply not be fixed in Debian for the next 2 years, as they are postponed to Plasma 6, mainly the glitches when fractional scaling.
Gnome is really stable I think, Fedora should give the best experience here.
Btw using Distrobox you can run ANY Linux app easily. On Fedora Kinoite (ostree, like Silverblue) I run the VLC 4.0 beta currently, which is only available as an Ubuntu PPA. no problem at all. Do mainly for AUR or Ubuntu PPA apps Distrobox is brilliant.
Fedora itself also has COPR where lots of community packages are.
If you want recent deb-based, there also is KDE Neon user edition. Used that for a while, but I switched to immutable Fedora and never going back.
I've done my share of distro hopping and I must agree with [email protected].
Fedora has the near perfect balance of being stable and always up to date. I found the codecs and non-free software to be a non-issue. You enable the RPM Fusion repos and install then like anything else.
Okay true, there is Debian testing aka sid. I have not tried that long term though.
But I absolutely dont agree "being used to ubuntu". Either you are a GUI person and the interface is not the same. Its GNOME and you need some extensions, thats it.
Or you are from Ubuntu and want proprietary packages, PPAs, or even Snaps! They seem pretty user friendly witg some features.
Or you want the nice background...
But apt? You just use sudo dnf upgrade" instead of sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. The rest is Linux, everything is probably the same. Maybe some udev stuff, but apart from ADB (which is kinda poweruser stuff) its not actually needed.
If you install Steam/Lutris/Bottles as a Flatpak it will use an updated Mesa stack when you run games through them. If you need a newer Linux kernel you can use the official backported version or something like Xanmod's MAIN branch/Liquorix.
That's pretty much it, and you may not even need those changes depending on your hardware. I recently wrote a comment on how I use Debian Stable if you want some extra opinions on how to make Debian Stable a little more livable.
I just switched from Linux Mint to Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). I was feeling like you; wanting to get away from Ubuntu dependency. I tried out Debian, but it just didn't feel as comfy out of the box. LMDE is working great. I even enabled backports and updated the Kernel.
Just learn how to activate the non-free repos. Everything else except for the stupid stuff like snap that ubuntu introduced, is 99.5% the same. I've switched from Ubuntu to Debian like 15 years ago. Never looked back.
I’ve heard gaming on debian isnt as ‘out of the box’ as it is with Ubuntu.
Depends on what your hardware is. Debian typically runs some older versions of pretty much everything. If you have newish hardware, you might need to run a newer kernel than Debian ships by default for full support. When that happens to me, I usually run the Liquorix kernel packages, which has been around for more than a decade and has never caused me problems on Debian.
For some graphics drivers, you might need a newer Mesa, which is typically available from Debians' own backports.
Don't do either unless you know you need to, because both lead to a somewhat higher risk for an unstable system.
You can just install Steam using Flatpak, and it works just fine.
Install your base system and get every app you need using flatpak. That way you'll get the latest versions without poluting your system. It even integrated with the GNOME Software "store" GUI: https://flatpak.org/setup/Debian
A bit out of the loop here (my only Linux system is a stripped down Debian server), but I thought one of the reasons people are moving away from Ubuntu was because they were forcing everyone to use flatpaks.
No idea if Ubuntu does some things better for gaming, but I just use the Steam Flatpak (+ the "steam-devices" package for much better controller support) and the Heroic Game Launcher Flatpak. Everything works fine on my end. I'm currently using an AMD card, but will probably switch to an Intel Arc in the near future (since they have better performance for 3d rendering in Blender, and I'm fed up with Nvidia's prices).
Tangential question for people browsing this post: would you recommend a different Linux distribution over Debian and Ubuntu for OP? If so, which one and why?
I personally love Arch for its lightweight nature, its documentation, and the AUR, but I use Fedora on my desktop and server, and Debian on my HTPC. I also have Rocky on my laptop, but that was mostly just to play around with it.
Fedora is nice because it's fairly up to date and has a fairly robust, self maintaining package manager (i.e. it automatically removes unused deps and cleans up after itself).
Since you've been fiddling with Linux for a while... why not switch to Arch Linux instead? Even the official iso has an kISS installer that is really easy to get used to (archinstall).