Jerboa @lemmy.ml zecg @sh.itjust.works 1y ago

Lemmy.world banning piracy made me realize it's something a client can solve

If I was logged into several instances at once in the client and seeing the composite feed and then could choose instance when replying or posting (with some set default, like from: field in e-mail clients) lemmy.world could ban piracy all it wants and it'd still be in my feed without me having to leave it or change instances.

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The liftoff app has the ability to show multiple accounts across multiple instances.

Also... Lemmy.world has/will become the default at this point in time. When you eventually get big enough you even up having to cater for the "laws".

Are they defederating from instances that are neutral as well? Or defed'ing from the privacy instances?
- It's deeply unfortunate it's essentially made itself the "default"
- It's not the first instance that has done something because of legal concerns about content from other instances. Many have already defederated from lemmynsfw.com because of that.
  
  If you defederate from porn because of legal reasons you might as well be a private instance. Porn is allowed in every country bar a few on earth, and users even have the ability to turn off all NSFW content via their profile. Adult content is the easiest to solve for.
  
  But that is just porn and I understand your point. At the end of the day, any instance is allowed to connect with whomever they want. Regardless of reasoning.
  
  We had a few communities on Reddthat that were blocked on an instance level by hacking the database. After it subscribes between two instances you remove the db connection and it tricks Lemmy and doesn't re-subscribe.
  
  Within a month, third party applications will have multi account auto creation features with syncing of community subscriptions or abilities to connect directly into the communities that are siloed.
The entire point of federated social media is that you can swap instances if you don't agree with policies. That's the whole point of Lemmy!
- All lemmy needs is to allow us to export/import our sub and block lists to make it easy tbh. Then it'll be purrfect.
  
  yeah I'd say user management across instances is the biggest flaw in the fediverse right now. Mastadon has made decent progress in that area, but it's still imperfect.
  
  A lot of the benefits of federation are weakened by the fact that it's a pretty huge PITA to change instances
  
  I want to move the communities I founded off of LW too.
There should be an option to see all posts on our feed from all our instances. Then when commenting choose the instance from which the comment has to be posted.
- This needs to be done carefully. At the extreme you're asking every instance for a list of posts from all instances. It could become something like a DOS. Having just a few accounts should be fine though. Or just asking one instance for "all" and others for "local".
  
  Maybe a digital signature of some kind to copy and paste from one account to another, or account to account import/export of the subscribe list.
This is why you don't join the popular instance. Eventually the shitbirds ruin it.
- Yup, I joined the smallest of the bigger communities and it has worked out pretty well. I'll probably need to leave eventually once it gets too big, but for now it works well.
  
  Yup, I joined the smallest of the bigger communities
  
  What does that even mean
If I was logged into several instances at once...without me having to leave it or change instances.

So you're working around having to change instances by changing instances? Am I missing something?
- I think they're suggesting an aggregate feed from some number of concurrently logged in users.
Jerboa is fairly simple in terms of its the instance that does the majority of heavy lifting.

What you're asking for could be solved in Jerboa with some work, or you could host your own instance and get what you need now without community effort.
- The only thing I really want from Jerboa is a notification when any of my accounts has a reply/message.
  
  Same...
Banning piracy? Like the mere encouragement or?

That instance is fast becoming moderated as just as much of a neoliberal authoritarian shithole as r/politics was 🤦
- Banning any chance that instance owners face legal actions for piracy.
  
  It's really not tough reasoning. The vast majority of instances will do the same.
  
  The irony bring that Reddit itself doesn't ban piracy related stuff as long as you don't outright post links publicly... It's a shitty kind of platform to do that anyway.
  
  If they don't want any chance of facing legal actions then they should just shut down the instance.
- neoliberal authoritarian shithole
  
  Meanwhile the admin not wanting to deal with the inevitable legal trouble: T_T
  
  Yeah, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. I wouldn't be surprised if the admin got a few scary letters from several letter agencies.
  
  Inevitable legal trouble my ass! It was a troll invoking a counterfactual version of reality to trick the admins into being his instrument of petty revenge for being banned
- Banning piracy? Like the mere encouragement or?
  
  Just the mere encouragement & discussion, yes. The banned communities do not allow direct links to pirated content ([email protected] has a rule forbidding that).
  
  It's strange to see people saying there was some sort of legit reasoning, the lemmy.world admins did not receive any sort of legal DMCA/NTD request or anything of the sort. They were simply trolled hard by a brand new account from lemm.ee asking to defederate from "piracy" communities and lemmy.world admins took the bait. See the post yourself https://lemmy.world/post/3175920
  
  Incidentally that same user has created troll accounts at other instances & have been getting themselves banned, they were already banned at the dbzer0 instance (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/1956277) so it looks like it was simple retaliation to attempt to trick other instances into defederating/blocking them.
  
  What an asshole! 🤬🤦
- I don't think it has to do with ideologies but more like the admins can't afford a fight against the very same people you're talking about.
  
  Meh. That’s not really how it works though. If pirated content is not actually spread on the platform nothing illegal is happening, and regardless, long before any fight was going to happen there would have been takedown request.
- They banned piracy from lemmy.ml and dbzer0.com and also shrooms and other subs. They strive to be the aww emporium, it seems.
  
  Stupid comment. Far from it.
How can one do that?
- At the moment, I don't know of any client that allows this, that's why I'm floating the idea where Jerboa people can see it.
  
  Either I don't understand what you mean, or you're not aware that other clients can indeed do this, like Liftoff.
- The lift off app is good and basically does this.
  
  Play Store
  
  GitHub
Niche communities should be on niche instances and users should join smaller instances that federate with their interests.
- This kind of defeats the purpose of federation, no? The point is, I thought, that it didn't really matter which instance you joined.
  
  It doesn't, but it doesn't mean organisation and thus increased discoverability are a bad thing
  
  It doesn't matter what instance you join if every instance also employs no blocks.
  
  At this point in time it is starting to matter. With the increased instance level blocks and defederation.
  In the future it won't matter as you will have mobile/web apps that create multiple accounts on the instances you want that have the communities you want to subscribe too.
  
  If the communities are only created on the big instances, and the big instance decides to defederate from your home instance then you no longer have any way from your home instance to get access. Thus the future features I have alluded to become a real need.
  
  Op made a valid point, if small niche groups form around small instances, you will have less issues and the instance will be for everyone who wants to join that community. Then it would truly be a decentralized platform where each instance is one or two communities. An instance block would not have the blast radius. For example, I don't think anyone who is small has the ability to block Lemmy.world . They are too big and have too many communities. If you were to block them you would need to setup the communities on your own instance. Whether that works or not and whether enough people join around it who knows.
  
  Like you said tho, a community on a small instance had less chance for good visibility and being found. But that is where third parties come into play like browse.feddit.de. without them the early migrations would have struggled and community discovery would also have been an issue too.
  
  Now that I'm thinking about it, if we could integrate the feddit browser into all the lemmy instances so when you search on your local instance it would show all items not just ones your instance knows about... That would help solve part of the discovery issues... Brb I need to chat with the feddit admins :p
The only way to guarantee you can see exactly what you want, without being at the mercy of anyone else, is to run your own instance.
ITT: Entitled twats getting grumpy that a private service won't host their discussion about stealing content they're definitely entitled to.

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