People either don't seem to understand, or are pretending not to understand for political purposes, that Harris has a very thin line to toe until the election. If she says anything strongly in either way regarding Israel/Palestine, she will lose.
Anyone telling you that she is worse than Trump on the issue is a goddamn liar
Harris started her political career by condemning Obama for not perfectly obeying Israel. She votes for Israel every time. She even tells a story how she planted trees for Israel as a child.
The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.
Trump supporters always underreport in polls. She's not holding her own in the swing states. Harris is going to lose and usher in fascism and the end of the republic, all so she can take some sweet, sweet far-right-wing foreign government bribes.
If centrists don't like that they don't get 100% of everything they want, in this case unconditional support for genocide, they can vote blue no matter who.
edit: I scanned over the she modifier sorry. yes that would be true. but shes no better either.
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She may lose either way; and you're an idiot if you think people who are disgusted by us supplying weapons to the genocidal regime in israel are worse than trump.
if you're in a swing state vote harris
if you're in a democratic bastion feel free to vote third party, dont worry the majority of the liberal lemmings will vote for harris.
let your reps know you don't support arming israel while they're actively committing a genocide and refusing to commit to a cease fire which is against our laws and harris if she wants to claim is in favor of upholding the law needs to back.
I'd rather put boots on the ground to defend israel than let them continue a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
I'd add 2a: Even if you don't vote for president be sure to vote down-ballot. You can just leave the president section blank. But don't be tempted to write in someone because that may invalidate your entire ballot.
I love how you're carefully avoiding the Abilene effect and how it could lose the election in even strong states.
Yes, lose. Because
it's a binary choice
non-participation benefits the crueler conservatives
everyone votes in isolation while cognizant of others and assuming their intent
And even if we declare the two viable options - note I said viable there - to be guaranteed as equally detrimental for Gaza when we all know it's not, it simplifies the equation. If we cannot appreciably affect the outcome in our election choice we move to the choice which has the most potential for effect after the election. CLEARLY
And that's the programme. It's been explained so many fucking times that I'm not sure how "but her emails" you need to be not to get it.
This is as clear the nose you sever to spite your face, and it's truly sad to see such cognitive dissonance in someone not voting conservative out of greed or gambler's mindset.
Pretending that you don't know the meaning of 'antisemitic' is only slightly less annoying than pretending that criticism of israel is antisemitic.
Semitic is a term with two main uses - 1) to mean 'jews' in the term 'anti-semitic'. 2) to refer to a particular branch of the afro-asiatic language family. No one is using 'semite' to mean all speakers of semitic languages and even if they did the meaning of the term antisemitic is clear and well understood.
Please, please just stick to pointing out how dumb it is to pretend that criticizing the genocidal actions of a nation state is somehow hatred of jews. This overplayed piece of feigned linguistic ignorance is doing nothing for no one.
I reject Israel's modification of semitic to only refer to themselves. It originally meant the inclusion of Arabs, and I'm going to continue using it that way, regardless of it's "obsolete" designation.
It is still used to this day in linguistics to refer to the same thing, and I'm going to use it more broadly to ensure that Israel can't gatekeep its usage, and utilize it in a way to harass others and as a universal cover-all any time anyone criticizes them for anything.
I am not ignorant of its linguistic origins, I am purposely reappropriating it. It seems fitting, especially in this case, to be able to turn the word on them.
You dont get to reassign the definition to fit your purpose and agenda .
If no one is using semite that way, then dont falsely accuse people of being antisemitic. You dont get to falsely accuse people of that and then cry about definitions, what a load of bs
"Many, including myself, always suspected that she held this warped, antisemitic view of Israel’s self-defense against Hamas barbarism. But the cat is now out of the bag,” he said to the US outlet on Saturday.
“Her view is as ignorant as it is malign. … To give credence publicly to this disgusting blood libel disqualifies Harris from holding any public office, let alone the presidency,” he added." (He then did a little happy jig and said to himself "we got 'er! Antisemitic married to a Jew, people are too dumb to realize I'm a lying sack of shit!")
Meanwhile Bernie says in interviews that Netanyahu is backed by racists. Very accurate take. But Harris can’t exactly say it outright as she may lose the Zionist (zealot) Jew vote (money). After the election all bets are off though. The palestinian backers who think they need to get the promise to embargo Israel before the election are delusional and have no sense of strategy beyond their own. Which is basically play chicken with fascists. Its a losing strategy. They are between a rock and a hard place so it makes sense as there is no other actual strategy to be had. But we’re not going back to Trump I am sorry.
We're are not backing trump either. you just have to live without our support. if you have enough votes great. meanwhile many of these people may vote third party and vote for dems down ticket; as I did. which is still a win overall for dems, just means harris might have less votes. which if they're in a state like i am that is 20+ lean dem a non-issue for harris.
while we like bernie he doesnt control our votes. harris can re-earn our votes if she wins and about faces on the issue. if she doesnt win, well thats on her for her decisions on a number of issues that would have personally caused my vote to be cast for her. none of which she was willing to give.