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He played the sax 🎷 on TV to get elected and then had sex in the oval office with that intern. Ahhh those were more innocent times.
Remember the outrage! A president who didn't tell the truth about his sex life right away was unthinkable!
More than that, we tried to impeach him for it! Imagine that, our politicians being held accountable for their dishonesty.
No, they tried to impeach him. They were just looking for any angle to do it with. They assigned an open ended special prosecution to find something, anything they could use and Clinton decided to perjure himself on it. It wasn't noble
Listen, I'm not saying Clinton wasn't rad as a president -- he was -- but I'd also say him cheating on his wife wasn't very "noble", either. Nor was lying about it on TV to the entire country after getting caught.
Yeah, I know, it's Hillary, but still not a cool thing to do.
From that perspective i found it insane that she stayed with him and then tried to become president herself. Gal, you sucked it up to your cheating husband, because of your power greed. This is a red flag larger than at the Sowjet parades.
I think the abuse of power dynamic was the worst part.
To be clear, for anyone too young to remember, he WAS impeached for 2 reasons: lying under oath and obstruction of justice.
It's pretty funny
During the deposition, Clinton was asked "Have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1?" The judge ordered that Clinton be given an opportunity to review the agreed definition. Afterwards, based on the definition created by the Independent Counsel's Office, Clinton answered, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." Clinton later said, "I thought the definition included any activity by [me], where [I] was the actor and came in contact with those parts of the bodies" which had been explicitly listed (and "with an intent to gratify or arouse the sexual desire of any person"). In other words, Clinton denied that he had ever contacted Lewinsky's "genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks", and effectively claimed that the agreed-upon definition of "sexual relations" included giving oral sex but excluded receiving oral sex
This is the most lawyer thing I've read. Hahaha. I totally forgot about that.
Yes I abused my position of power to get head from a junior intern. But.... the rules are the rules, what you gonna do?
Bro sexually assaulted an intern in the White House. Let's not pretend it was just sex life.
He did not sexually assault Monica Lewinsky. It was a consensual relationship. He was accused of lying about it in a deposition. That was the alleged crime.
To be clear about what happened - she did say (maybe about ten years ago, post me- too), that she realizes Clinton took advantage of her. That doesn't change her opinion overall that it was consensual, but she recognizes the power imbalance played a role in what she did.
That's the part being pointed out by the other commenter.
She was absolutely taken advantage of. At best, the whole thing is unseemly. But there is a very large gap between "sexually assaulted" and being taken advantage of.
That's the debatable part. Given the absolutely massive power imbalance, can it be consensual?
From my perspective, I think it's important to take Ms. Lewinsky's opinion and consider it to not be sexual assault, she's had about 30 years of reflection on it and where she landed is consensual.
But I can understand, given the power imbalance and how that has been used historically to force others into a sexual relationship, how it can be viewed as sexual assault.
That's a hard one to delineate though. Is any sexual contact with the President of the United States consensual? Can the President only get a reach around from Xi Jinping?
Can the President only get a reach around from Xi Jinping?
Oh my! I just had a disturbing mental image.
Brother what do you think they do behind those closed doors at executive summits. It sure as hell ain't anything regarding policy.
The easy answer is the person he was already in a relationship with before becoming President.
We aren't talking about just any citizen though, she was literally working for him. This is no different than a CEO and a secretary. The power imbalance is... Blatant.
She says it was consensual. So I go with that, because even decades later it's her view on the situation. That said, any President (just like any CEO, etc) having any sort of sexual relations with people they literally employ is a sexual predator. So yes, Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. I won't go so far as to say she was sexually assaulted though, because she doesn't consider it to be so.
I would agree except for the fact that she actively pursued him. He didn't just pick her out of a crowd. She made it a point to be near him. He should have known better than to go there but she initiated the whole thing.
Expert manipulators and sexual predators are very good at using power imbalances to make people think they want this and pursue it, when i fact they are manipulated into making advances.
Now whether that was the case is debatable, but there is no blanket "she wanted it" check to hand out here.
Y'all do know that dismissing Ms. Lewinsky's opinion and suggesting that her feelings about something she did and judged for herself might be wrong is rather patronizing, don't you? She is the only person in this universe who can decide that. She has done so. End of.
Lololol whatever you need to tell yourself.
Most powerful man in America is getting head from a 22 year old in office who had come out afterwards and said she was pressured and it was unwanted but your going to go to bat.
But grab her by the pussy is just locker room talk 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She never said that you lying right winger, but sure go on about how trump is innocent
You've invented quite a story any me 🤣
It's like the one you made up for Lewinsky, only true.
So you're certain that her own account of it is a lie? How progressive
Compare that to the orange felon who lies and crimes non-stop, so much so that people cannot possibly focus on any one offense.
No it was clearly an official duty as defined circa 2024
He's only accused of raping one woman and she wasnt under age.
"suspected"
Not defending anything here but I don't think he's been formally accused
She told her friend about it at the time in 1978. Her story has never changed. She went public in 1999. The problem seems to be that before that in 1998 she didn't want to talk about it and denied the allegations.
For sure. Not defending our advising anyone, just pointing out he's never been officially charged or tried on it, out side of Congressional hearings