How did money work on deep space 9?
How did money work on deep space 9?
Whenever there's a storyline with quark, they talk about money/latinum.
I remember in one of the next gen episodes that there was discussion about money and Picard said something about how they've moved away from money.
So do Starfleet get paid now?
Update: thank you for the quick responses. From what I'm gathering the tldr is that the following is the answer
- Ferengi love for money/not being a post scarcity society by design
- Bajorans being so near their slavery times and not post scarcity yet
- Quark creating an atmosphere of camaraderie/gambling/upgraded replicators/actual food
All this requires some form of currency.
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DS9 is a Bajoran station, not a Federation one. The Bajoran economy is not post-scarcity and still runs on money. Either Starfleet officers get a stipend to purchase things when posted on such assignments, or Quark simply bills Starfleet. Either way, Starfleet/the UFP likely has a reserve of latinum and other resources for trade with other nations.
Ok so next question. If the computer can magically create anything. And they are on almost all space stations (including cardassian/federation ones) what's the point of a bar?
Gambling makes sense. Paying for food/drink when you have a replicator doesn't.
No one said the replicator can perfectly create the most delightful and exquisite flavors and aromas associated with the real thing. Also the bar is like a real bar in a way, you're not paying for just the food/drink but also the atmosphere.
Also also it's a Bajoran station, so maybe Quark has to pay an energy bill even for using the drinks replicator.
Also also also Quark makes the point that he had programmed the drinks replicator to be even better than a regular one, so you're also paying for that.
I think Sisko threatened to charge Quark for rent and utilities in one episode as a way to get Quark to do something Sisko wanted.
Quark may be billing Starfleet for his services, but I'm sure he understands how to be in the good graces of his cop landlord.
I'm pretty sure that's the episode where Quark becomes an arms dealer.
Which also has Avery Brooks's creepiest line in the series; the way he says "Works for me!" gives me chills. Serial killer vibes.
Having seen Avery Brooks give panels at cons, I can confidently say that all the times when Sisko got space madness or was holosuite transformed into a Bond villain or was otherwise acting like a madman... all of those performances are the real Avery Brooks, and the stolid, restrained, level-headed Sisko is the character that Avery Brooks uses his formidable acting skills to pretend to be.
It's the strike episode. "Bar Association" Sisko threatens him with charging rent if the strike doesn't end soon.
I think Sisko's threat is to start collecting rent Quark technically always owed but that Sisko had chosen to overlook because of the benefits the bar brings to the promenade, especially in the immediate aftermath of the Cardassian withdrawal.
I believe you are correct.
It was because they'd given him the supplies he needed to restart the bar after the FCA revoked his business license. So they were threatening to take back the equipment and start charging him rent again if he continued to do arms deals on the station.
This makes much more sense. On my first run through of ds9 and this has been bothering me
Also, you can get groceries and make your own dinner. Why would you ever go to a restaurant?
Going to a bar is most likely about the atmosphere, the people there, just as much as it is about the alcohol
Why a restaurant for the service.
Between my wife and I we can make a lot of good staples (roasted chicken, beef and potatoes, etc.) but we're not masters of the kitchen by any stretch.
You go to a restaurant to have someone else make the dinner and hopefully they are better than you are to make something tastier. As a side you don't have to deal with cleaning dishes.
That and hopefully they have a good wait staff to liven up things
Also also also Quark makes the point that he had programmed the drinks replicator to be even better than a regular one, so you're also paying for that.
Great point.
And to be clear, by "programmed" we mean "installed weird sketchy dark web firmware, some of which he happened to write and sell himself" and by "even better" we mean "breaks lot of Federation food safety rules in fun ways".
maybe Quark has to pay an energy bill even for using the drinks replicator.
I think this is the main part. Things cost money on DS9 because the energy used to run the replicators is a finite resource, given that they are in such a remote location.
Same reason Nelix is the chef on voyager. Replicators don’t make something out of nothing.
Quark doesn't pay for anything on the station. That was clarified in the series when Sisko threatened to charge him for it all. Forgot the episode though.
It's a plot point in the early seasons that the replicators on the station are not as good as the ones you might find on a federation starship.
There has been several episodes that talk about how poor the quality the food and drink are. Plus Starfleet replicators cannot make alcohol.
They can in TNG at least. There is an episode about people being cryogenically frozen in the past, because of uncurable illnesses. They unfroze them, and one dude ordered alcohol. He even said it was the best glass he has ever had.
Whiskey, I believe. I bet the replicator gave him Synthohol with whiskey flavoring.
@atlasraven31 @Maalus martini
Iirc it's that they find Scotty from OG through plot magic and he complains about synthehol not being scotch.
Data says someone else (guinan?) Has a bottle or two stowed somewhere of something similar....
Picard had the bottle stashed away
Plus Starfleet replicators cannot make alcohol.
I don't think that's accurate, we saw an episode of lower decks where the group were discussing that Starfleet replicators use a similar chemical that has much shorter lived symptoms.
The exact quotes were tense asking how they were all so drunk when x thing existed and Mariner replying she had started asking real alcohol after the 2 drink.
Replicators make synthehol and alcohol, you choose which variant you want or program in your standard options. Snobs like Scotty and Jean-Luc's brother say they can taste the difference which is why Guinan keeps "it is green" behind the bar.
Aldebaran Whisky?
Yes.
You can buy alcohol cheap from a store in real life, along with all the ingredients to make drinks, yet people still go to bars where cocktails cost more than a meal. They're not going just because of superior bartending skills, they're going as part of the experience of drinking with other people. Because on DS9, your other option is basically to drink in your quarters, which is no fun.
There are more options for food on DS9, but people still go to Quark's for the atmosphere. It's lively and fun, which is probably hard to come by otherwise on a remote space station. I doubt people are coming to Quark's in droves for the food though, it's more just something you get if you're already there.
In real life you have to make your own food, make your own drinks, use your own plates/glasses/etc. and deal with cleanup.
In ds9 the replicator does everything for you.
But I get your point
Thanks!
Pretty sure Quark uses replicators for the food. Just has actual drinks in stock.
I suspect that the primary money makers are the drinks, gambling and holosuite time.
@aredditimmigrant @VindictiveJudge later in lower decks it's revealed that quark has "done some work" to his replicators that make them produce results you can't get in your quarters/mess hall
Latinum is chosen as the default currency, exactly because it is not replicable. In ST:Outpost there's an episode where they find an alien tech that is able to replicate latinum, but only for a couple days before it dissolves. That is than used by ferengi pirates for obvious malicious reasons. ST:outpost is a fan production though, so not canon, but I do believe this is how it is. It is briefly mentioned in the apendices on latinum's memory alpha page
The Bajoran economy is not post-scarcity
So I understand the above items (latinum being the most important and fungible) being non-replicatable. But at the point where Starfleet is permanently on your station and has easy access to both replicators and infinite energy, why aren't the Bajorans also post-scarcity? You'd think that tech, while powerful, is a far more important thing to trade for and Starfleet has an incentive to uplift societies it isn't at war with to prevent scarcity wars and instability.
Bajor isn't part of the Federation, so they don't have immediate access to all Federation tech. Also, even when they join, I'm not convinced that the Federation just hands new members everything. The Prime Directive is all about not interfering in a society's natural growth, and although achieving warp travel is the major barrier to initiating First Contact, I wouldn't be surprised if there were additional steps along the way once a planet has joined the Federation.
Second contact is a very important job.