How am I supposed to organize a mobilization of people in a country that is 2,800 miles (4506km) east to west and 1660 miles (2671km) north to south?
How do I communicate where to meet up?
How do I ensure our targets don't get wind of it?
How do I ensure everyone is there?
How do I make sure we get every leader that is going to need to be ousted?
How do I ensure they're even going to be there?
How do we find all of the money backers that want this crap?
How do we decide who should lead this new leadership chain without starting another fight?
How do we ensure that the military doesn't just mow us down when we try?
If I can't lead this charge, who does? How do I find someone willing, and is actually capable of leading this charge?
How do I ensure I don't just have some trigger happy yahoos that will shoot anything remotely a target before anything starts?
How do I ensure we don't have bad actor there to tank it all (and there are plenty)?
Look, I see what you're saying. I'm pissed off. This isn't supposed to be the country I was raised in. It had many issues. This isn't the country that I raised my hand to fuck my body up for.
I'd love to pick up my weapons, drive the 2 weeks across the country, and do something about it all. I have kids. I know, I know, what the future holds for them is much worse than homelessness. That is still a rough pill to swallow. I'm a frog on a hot plate. That hot plate is thousands of miles across to get off. It is surrounded by 100's of other hot plates that have to be dealt with to stop the heat. Some of which I wouldn't even be able to find, or would be constantly moving around with the capability I have to mobilize (jet vs driving).
Do I flee the country? Do I stay and fight back the best I can? I can't flee. I can't work due to severe medical issues (another rub in this entire thing, how do I ensure everyone is able bodied enough to help). No one is going to take me in. The best I can do is arm and stock like I should be wearing tin foil on my head. Try to be as self sustaining as we can. A garden. Some chickens that will end up having to be guarded by Brinks soon. Then vote for the shit sandwich that doesn't have glass in it and is covered in barbed wire. Try to help my kids see why this is all bad. To differentiate good sources and bad sources of information. Weed out logical fallacies. Pick out gas lighting. Try to prepare them for a better future that opens more options for them. One that allows them to leave the country if needed. How to participate and make things better, and why they should participate in voting and other such things.
Well said. It really seems that a lot of people are finding out how much easier to say things from afar, then would be to say those same things up close.
Weirdly, I’d bet that if you drew a radius with America being ground zero, you’d find that the further away you got- the easier people would think it should be to fix everything.
Dunno… brexit sucked and from here- a lot of people that probably could have stopped it seemed pretty weak. Not the same, I get it- but if you can answer one, you might understand the other.
By all means, explain to me how Americans are supposed to fight against decades of wrong-think being bought and paid for by the richest people alive.
America is in the situation we're in because money is power and those with the most of it decided to slowly take over this country. If 90% of the people here could unify, they still wouldn't have the resources of the 30 billionaires controlling their tech and media narrative.
You better have a good answer of what to do when this happens again because based on the world wide rise of this kind of disinformation, it's only a matter of time before it happens to your country too. Assuming your safe is the only short sighted thing America did in this situation.
So I wouldn't be delighting in the strength these enemies showed in defeating the US, because it's just a matter of time before they come for you next. And if the US didn't stop them, you better be learning how.
The problem is, I don’t show up to work because I’m protesting, my child loses their home. And THAT’s why countries are pushing birth rates . I’d love to be out there, doing something, like I spent summers protesting shit George Bush was doing, or during trumps first term. But I don’t know how to do it now without losing everything.
I do empathise, but if you guys don't stop this, your kids are going to be in a worse situation than homelessness. Everyone there is, and us outside the US are also going to be fucked because america is so powerful globally and everything so intertwined. Nazi Germany was a hard enough fight, but military technology was less advanced then, to say nothing of nukes...
The problem is that this shit gets entrenched, normalised and harder to fight, as time goes on. Think how much unimaginably awful stuff has already happened - you think they're done? By the time it's bad enough you're ready to fight no matter what, any kind of resistance will be illegal and very difficult. Will you be on the streets protesting when they threaten you with putting you in a labour camp for life with no trial? Then what's gonna happen to your kids? Fight while you can.
Your kids will grow up not remembering a different world, propagandised at school/ mandatory youth activities and probably fighting for the system you despise. This has all happened before in countries which became authoritarian/fascist, and you can also read/watch 1984.
They’ve been raising the heat in the pot for decades. Some of us have been paying attention, but we typically get called “sensationalist” or “alarmist”. They’ve started calling us “an tea fuh” and “unAmerican” now. Camps will probably come at some point.
Incrementalism was the death knell of this country. We’re just hearing the death rattle now.
They already are sending people to camps - the ones in el Salvador. Trump is now threatening to send the americans vandalising teslas there. He often signals his actions beforehand with the social media rants, probably so his handlers can get a read on public opinion (especially of MAGA) before he does anything, while he's still got plausible deniability and can say he was trolling, which MAGA also loves.
People need to get out on the streets, make massive protests, make a freedom movement. Maybe make it fun like they did in the 60's, make it a huge street party which lasts for days with music, dancing, food, people drop in and out as they can, tents and share accommodation and child care.
It doesnt matter what the MAGA cult says, they're all delusional. You can't argue with someone like that. They want to believe it, so no evidence can convince them otherwise. There are more of you than of them. When MAGA starts losing, they'll leave it, quietly.
Man in the 2000s it was straight up "Extremist", "Traitor", "snowflake."
That's what so frustrating to see what OP said. That, plus gerrymandering, citizens United, and voter suppression. The GOP has been dismantling the Republic for longer than I've been alive.
I think that if the Good Guys replace Nazi America with something new, they should engineer a new economic system where everybody's survival is guaranteed. If you have basic but genuine shelter, food, utilities, and so forth to rely upon, you can go out to protest or strike without worrying much about your wellbeing.
The current economy might as well be willfully designed to keep an economic boot on our necks. We can't afford the time, risk, or afford travel to do what is right. We should make money not used for survival, instead making it solely for buying luxury goods - a fancy car that isn't government issue, meals that aren't Generic Corn Flakes #1, and so forth.
Capitalism is good for supplying the demand for things that align with a person's hobbies and interests, but is utterly worthless when it comes to survival. We should fix that, by ensuring that billionaires cannot exist, and use their freed capital to fund a genuine UBI for all.
Why are the American people so …weak?
In another month, Americans will have non ability to mobilize and fight the Dictatorship that is almost fully installed.
The exact same thing happened in Germany in 1933. This is the exact same playbook: way too many people are willing to accept a little fascism because the fascist promises to drop the price of groceries and target groups of people they don't belong to. Then the fascist doesn't drop the price of groceries and turns against those who supported him - by which point, it's too late.
What you've just discovered is that today's Americans as just as dumb as the Germans of 92 years ago - dumber in fact, because they knew what happened in Nazi Germany, an advantage the Germans who trusted Hitler didn't have.
The Americans should've known better, and yet they voted the orange fascist in. Plus ca change...
Also, even with him and fElon rigging the election, he still lost the popular vote, and they definitely engaged in enough voter suppression to rig the vote that way.
That too. So the question becomes why the d’s aren’t doing anything about this, why their strategy hasn’t changed. They keep talking about the next election as if it’ll be the answer. At this point I’ll be surprised if t or an r (if t dies) doesn’t win the next election.
I've never been a stolen election person, but there's no doubt they stole this election. The richest man in the world decided he wants trump to win, so that's what happened. Elon is doing the same thing in other countries, so the assholes that are hating on every American better take heed because it's coming soon to a government near you.
Honestly... Education and social engineering.
The majority of the folks here read at a 6th grade level. Their comprehension of complex social situations is nill. They can't fathom the difference between a million and a billion. Those numbers get tossed around so easily and commonly that it just washes over them like they mean nothing.
Our information flow is controlled. All sources of common easily found news comes from 4 or 5 oligarchs.
The boomer generation is the "soft men" generation. They hit the sweet spot for money generation, freak sex with no consequences, drug use with out worry of dying, housing that cost a lot, but was obtainable on a single salary and an education system that was paid for by the 90% tax in the Ulta wealthy and corporations.
The shining beacon on the hill, the USA that the WW1 and WW2 generations built was slowly destroyed by elected officials who were being paid by the wealthy and corporations.
All of that manipulation accelerated when citizens United was passed.
So now we have a generation of folks that have never had to fight in a war on their own soil. A belief system that we are better than everyone else and that our checks and balances will hold against a coordinated effort to dismantle the government.
And a population that only cares if their teams win...
So it'll probably take 15 years before we get our heads out of our asses unless something drastic happens to collectively wake us all up. :/
Hopefully all that makes sense... I'm on mobile and I don't have my glasses. Haha
A belief system that we are better than everyone else
I agree with much of what you've said, but I honestly think this is one point that is behind the downfall. America is basically apathy and hubris - no need to do anything because "we're #1".
Even though personally people are suffering, Americans still don't do anything in a large scale to fix the situation and actively vote against their interests.
I think the only thing that will save the US is what is happening now, things get REALLY bad, and hopefully a rebellion that rises up and cuts out the rot.
This right here is a big issue. It breeds "I got mine", and I see it constantly.
Why do people need welfare programs? I'm not struggling. (literally said to me last week from an ex coworker)
Why should I have to pay for other people's health care?
Why are people worried about jobs? I was able to find one easily.
I don't understand why people can't save money. I can do it easily.
Why do we need disability help? I can work when I'm injured.
All of these results of the mentality of "We're number 1!" We're number 1, so there is no way that there are problems. See! Look! I am not struggling! So no one else can possibly be struggling either!