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Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.
yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….
it’s pretty much the genocide version of the trolly problem. palestine genocide is on one track, on the other track, there’s the palestinian genocide, trans genocide, hispanic genocide, and entire planet ecocide…
the choice is obvious but not particularly inspiring… at least under harris there was some hope of lobbying her to stop… protest at the whitehouse now and trump will try to have you shot… hopefully they refuse next time.
The bigger problem was that when you brought up domestic genocides before the election, it got handwaved away as you not caring about Palestinians and also dismissed as not going to happen. I saw this over and over on Lemmy, along with the ludicrous idea that once a genocide has started, it literally can't get worse because genocide is genocide.
yeah i swear lemmy was getting astroturfed with the “genocide joe” spam
No need to astroturf when there are a huge number of self-righteous people who think the only cause that matters is their cause.
I do have to wonder how many of the people who earnestly bought the whole "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" people ever talked to a Palestinian in their lives, let alone asked them what they thought of that idea.
... you know that's really an apt comparison. Never thought about it that way but really it's like a trolley problem except it is their job to shout for people to come up and pull the lever.
It's no surprise they had trouble finding volunteers.
yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….
I guess that's true if you're not used to being an adult. As an adult I can verify that a pretty common aspect of being an adult is minimizing fallout by making intelligent decisions.
Turns out, there's a lot of children trapped in adult bodies in the U.S.
Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.
At least with the blue team they're less likely to bend to protests...red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.
That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.
If voting isnt enough it means politics is basically inaccessible to those struggling just to make ends meet. With what time does a starving man get to meet with their representative, which representative would even give him an audiance.
Sure, if you’re on the edge of survival then that comes first. But I don’t think that’s the case for most people engaged in this conversation. Very few people in developed countries are literally starving.
But you’re right that this is unfair to people who pouring all of their energy into basic survival. In a better, more liberated world of the future, I hope voting will be sufficient. But that’s just not the world of today. We live in a world where we got to choose between two candidates who both favored materially supporting the murder of thousands of Palestinian children. Between killing the biosphere slowly or quickly. Between brazen corruption or discrete corruption.
That’s not a world where voting is anywhere close to enough.
But this is also why I think mutual aid is the single most important political action right now. If we can provide for and protect our community, this builds up our power naturally and gives those people experiencing hardship a chance to participate as well. And once we are united we are unstoppable.
I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
So what? You still did the right/smart thing.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party
A failed party with a history of voting in favor of the middle/lower classes, who have provided affordable healthcare, strengthened worker rights/unions, lowered prescription drug costs, banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports, invested in clean energy, placed regulations on companies harming our environment, etc etc etc?
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It's not like it's the first time in history that's happened.
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
Both are true at the same time. She failed to condemn a genocide. Are you telling me that you think all those students protesting didn't matter?
There were no "threats," just pointing out real shit...
Vote for me or you get Trump
That's a threat, don't pretend to be stupid
No, it was an appeal to common sense, which apparently an absolutely terrifying number of Americans lack.