Why are Ultras anti-LGBT?
Why are Ultras anti-LGBT?
This doesn't make any sense to me. I know they aren't Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We're trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?
I am curious what ultras you are specifically talking about.
I agree with the other commentors regarding the nature of ultraleftism, but I am a bit confused. Is "Ultras" being used in a different manner here?
When I was considering myself a "Maoist", the circles I was active in were often very LGBT+ inclusive (to a fault, at times - by this I mean taking ultraleftist lines on the LGBT+ question of liberation a la plastering arcane propaganda on building walls like "Death to Truscum", a term mostly only known by the chronically online). Same with anarchists. Which ultras in particular are this LGBTphobic? I'm not trying to defend ultras here, but I have interacted with just as many, if not more, bigoted "Marxist-Leninists" as ultras.
Please excuse my ignorance, but I am confused who is to consider as ultra. In my country, sometimes some socdems are considered as far left 🤣🤦🏻♂️I suppose in US it is the same, according to Fux news, Bernie and Kamala are ultras 🤦🏻♂️
Conservatists can't even make a difference between anarchist and succdem, not to mention between trot and maoist*, for them, everyone left of Reagan is "far left".
*To be honest lately i also have that problem somewhat, it's hard when so many of them are COINTELPRO centrist and support nazis all the time.
It's not useful to make a broad assertions like that about a large (and somewhat vague) term like 'Ultras'. Like many comments have said, that's not the experience we've had with any ultras. It's like saying "why are Americans anti-LGBT", when there are millions of Americans that are, and millions that aren't, and the ones that are often have different reasoning for it (e.g. religion, tradition, misconceptions/pseudoscience, ideology, etc.) so the question will get a bunch of shallow unhelpful answers.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Part of it is this idealistic adherence to "materialism" that rationalizes existing oppression with Marxist rhetoric. Gay sex doesn't produce offspring, so gay sex must be unnatural and worthy of oppression, and since we see the liberal bourgeois culture being more accepting of queer phenomena, then it must be a bourgeois degeneration against the very real materialism that says sex is always between a man and a woman because science.
As Lenin said, it's an infantile disorder.
Not all factions of the bourgeoisie really care for LGBT people, and the ones that do are hardly capable of grasping queer theory the same way we do. They do fundraisers to feel like they're not imperialist monsters even if they fail in every other way to make our lives less horrible under capitalism.
Ultras miss one of the foundational aspects of Marxism in that completely derails their entire perspective and analysis.
Socialist countries and their various leaders were ALL EXPERIMENTS.
Missing this view in turn impacts why ultras are so hostile to the LGBT and hold the views that freagle outlined.
One of the major things that sets us apart from fascists and liberals is that we do not have an idealized, cultish, worship of the past and our leaders. They all made mistakes, they all had misinterpretations, they were all human, and they were falliable.
It is from this that me must not dogmatically cling to the exacts same views and Stalin, Castro, or Lenin, but instead take the successes of their experiments and build upon them while rectifying their mistakes.
We must flow like water and adapt to changing times. Never ceasing to learn, grow, change perspective, or improve. Ultras refuse to do this and that is their downfall, because the material and social conditions that created past countries and leaders will never be replicated one for one, which is why we must forge our own paths, and build on the knowledge of those that came before.
This is why the modern left movement has embraced sexual minorities, something that had not been done by previous movements, and thus, hated by Ultras.
In short, they are utopian.
Dogmatically idealist and utopian about the past to the point they stagnate and rot.
"One of the major things that sets us apart from fascists and liberals is that we do not have an idealized, cultish, worship of the past and our leaders."
Granted I'm new to this community, but the interactions I've had so far (like the weird attachment to Russia, which stopped being even even remotely communist many years ago, and is at the moment bordering fascism) kind of don't reflect my recent experience. If this truly is an integral part of communist ideology then many people didn't get the memo.