Communist philosophy has a lot of really useful analytical tools. It describes and criticizes society, especially capitalist society, in a very sharp and insightful way. People should read and learn it because it's interesting, useful stuff that is easily applied to modern politics.
Communist philosophy also calls for a (typically violent) revolution involving an authoritarian transition to get rid of capitalist society and usher in the future collective state. When a violent revolution is being called for in (mostly) functional democracies, that should usher in some skepticism from a normal, reasonable person.
The tankies reallllllly seem to like the violence, though, and are extremely supportive of any state that claims to be communist regardless of what atrocities that state commits along the way. They will be intensely defensive against any criticism (criticisms like "maybe Stalin shouldn't have starved millions of people to death through incompetence and genocidal inclinations", "maybe Mao shouldn't have wiped out all the doctors and artists", "maybe Putin shouldn't be allowed to try and annex Ukraine", etc.).
At some point, it becomes hard to properly separate these supposedly "authoritarian left" types from the "authoritarian right" fascists. Political compasses are stupid anyway.
Communist philosophy also calls for a (typically violent) revolution involving an authoritarian transition to get rid of capitalist society and usher in the future collective state
This is a reductionist explanation. The initial modern movement of socialists debated a lot on whether to support reform or revolution. Marx argued in favor of an authoritarian revolution after the failure of the Commune of Paris, but near the end of his life, he thought it was more sensible to seek out power through democratic means in societies with a liberal political framework, such as Britain. At this point, socialdemocratic parties still hadn't renounced to socialism - they just wanted to achieve it after democratically reaching power.
Through the start of the 20th century, there's a heavy rupture in the socialist movement when socialdemocratic parties begin moving away from the goal of actually achieving socialism, just at the USSR is born. This divide wider as the Cold War progresses, but we can still find a few important reformists who are aiming for a democratic form of socialism, such as Attlee in Britain and the French and Italian Communist Parties, although these two are, unfortunately, too loyal to the Soviet Union for their own good. As we enter the 21st century, socialist parties, for the most part, only want to tweak a few things about capitalism, but we can also find supporters of democratic socialism in the eurocommunist parties and the Communist Party of Japan. On the other fence, authoritarians who denominally support socialism, typically called tankies, tend to support the actions of whatever self-denominated communist regimes exist, such as China, and reject participation in liberal democracy.
this is reductionist
It's a comment on social media, not a dissertation
Tankies aren't the only ones who call for revolution tbf. There are revolutionary anarchists as well. "Tankie" has usually been used to describe auth-lefties in particular.
i want a cute revolution where more cute
Political compasses are stupid anyway.
It's a political torus. Walk of one end and you end up in the other
When your group is so left wing that all your real big arguments are against the radical side of your ideology rather than the other side! Somewhere there's a fiscal conservative arguing against a guy screaming about anarcho-capitalism on parler or something.
"Fiscal conservative" is a nonsense term anyway, I suspect. It doesn't really mean anything. I'd venture nearly everyone who uses it is either philosophically confused or else is a genuine conservative that thinks if they say "small government" enough it will cover their genuine desire to crush civil rights of people outside of their tribe.
The smallest and most efficient government possible that delivers the services of the government is what nearly everyone wants. The only people who don't want this are the fascists who want the biggest and strongest government possible in order to bully everyone else.
Authoritarian communists. Think Stalinists, and people who support regimes like the CCP. The top left of the political compass.
Does the word Tankie comes from the tanks in tinnamen square?
The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.[5][6]
Tankie refers to the when Russia sent tanks in Hungary to stop them from setting up a communist government that didn't follow their particular communist ideology.
Except Russia and China aren’t even pretending ti be communist.
Russia is a christo fascist oligarchy.
And China is a corporatist authoritarian state.
This doesn't stop tankies from being pro-Russia and pro-China. Modern tankies are absolutely happy with oligarchies and gigacorporations running the world, they just hate western society.
In essence, they worship authoritarianism rather than communism itself.
I'd say the difference between a tankie and a socialist is that a socialist wants equality and well-being for everyone and tankies just want people they don't like to die at the hands of an authoritarian regime, regardless of whether it's actually a communist regime.
A respectful answer that does delineate the shades of communism and shows education. Admirable.
Communists who glorify murderous regimes or dictators.
Best way to explain it is to give a link to a really good definition I read. Here it is, and it's in-depth and gives you a real understanding of them.
The one benefit of ziq being an anarchist extremist is that his article is probably one of the least biased things you'll read against modern Tankies who try to hide behind their support of culturally progressive politics to defend their ideology and make it seem like they're good people. Because it's a critique from someone who is just as left-wing as they claim to be so they can't hide behind their usual excuse of the critic being pro-capitalism/anti-communism/culturally conservative because ziq is none of those things.
I second this article as a fantastic overview of what Tankies stand for and why they should not be tolerated. If the article is too long to sift through - one particular paragraph summarizes the main issue with Tankies:
Tankies celebrate Lenin and Trotsky's massacres of socialist revolutionaries, including the Mensheviks, the sailors of Petrograd, the Socialist Revolutionaries, the anarchists, unaffiliated peasants who had their food confiscated and so on. Tankies also celebrate murdering 'kulaks', a word they use to describe any peasant that resisted Soviet imperialism, but especially the Ukrainian peasants that resisted sending all their food to Russia, which they rightly guessed would lead to mass-starvation and one of the worst atrocities in history; the catastrophic Holodomor man-made famine.
The Holodomor is largely considered to be a genocide of the Ukrainian people - by 26 countries and the European Parliament. Tankies deny it ever happened, and if it did it wasn't their fault, and if it was their fault the kulaks deserved it.
That’s not a simple explanation, that’s a Ted talk.
Wikipedia has a good article on this. Basically authoritarian "ends justify the means" leftists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. It is commonly used by libertarian socialists and left communists to criticize Leninists, although the term has seen increasing use by liberals and other non-leftists as well.
The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.[5][6]
The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin,[7][8] Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung. In modern times, the term is used across the political spectrum to describe those who have a bias in favor of authoritarian states with a leftist legacy, such as the People's Republic of China, the Syrian Arab Republic, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Additionally, tankies have a tendency to support non-socialist states if they are opposed to the United States and the Western world in general, regardless of ideology.[4][9]
Man I feel bad for all the not terminally online people getting thrown into this madness lol
"I'm saying that, when a communist does it, it's not an atrocity."
If we wanted to mess up scansion for the sake of correctness, "when someone who calls themselves a communist."
Outta topic but is like the official r196 and where everyone has moved to? I’m glad to find it still alive. If so, how are the other 196es on other servers doing?
There's also !lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/196 that seems to be doing well.
I'm new here to! I think 196 has branches all across the lemmyverse, at least that's what I think happened.
moss made this channel as an alternative to reddit in lemmy.world, but since the blahaj.zone/c/196 that other people are already pointing to already existed, they just changed this channel's name. The other channel is far more active, I recommend subscribing to it.
Go on r/Genzedong. You'll get it in a second.
is that unblocked now?
Communist
Authoritarian Communists. Not all communists are tankies.
Remember kids, Authoritarianism is bad, no matter which side you wield the stick for.
