Privacy @lemmy.ml kirua @lemmy.world 1y ago

Alternatives to gmail products (gmail, office, etc)

Hello all, Looking for an alternatives to gmail and it’s apps as I’m trying to de-google from their services.

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ProtonMail, Tutanota, Self-hosting a mailserver... That's all that comes to mind right now...
Good painless alternatives:

Chrome -> Firefox

Gmail/Calendar> Proton

Google Search -> Feels like all search engines got SEO'd into uselessness these days, but duckduckgo maybe.

Good but somewhat painful to switch alternatives:

Google Drive -> Proton

Office -> LaTeX/LibreOffice

ChromeOS -> Linux, yeah technically ChromeOS is also linux but come on, you know what I mean.

Less than ideal alternatives:

Maps -> Idk, not really many good options, apple maps is good too, but not sure if that's what you're looking for.

Android -> Idk, lol iOS, or de-googled android roms. Not many great alternatives there.

Is there anything else you need an alternative to?
- I like OpenStreetMap more than Google Maps.
- I switched to Kagi search engine about 3 weeks ago and so far I love it! I'm never going back.
  
  Same. Love Kagi.
- Not really the same thing, but I switched from Google Drive to Syncthing. It's not as secure in terms of "chance of losing your data", but I'm replicating data on my main PC, on my phone and on my RPi Zero and this is good enough for me, at least for now. Ideally I would periodically encrypt and upload every synced folder to the cloud (just because it's encrypted), but that's for another day.
- I use an app called Waze for maps, but I don't know if it's dependent on Google api in the background or not.
  
  Unfortunately Google bought Waze some years ago. The feature sets are being incorporated into Google Maps.
  
  https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-brings-waze-and-maps-teams-together-in-cost-cutting-move/
- You gotta wait for overture maps alternatives. It is an open map project by the linux foundation, microsoft, tomtom and some other companies. Its main purpose is to provide a competent competitor to google maps since these companies don't want to pay google royalties for their map data. It can also help osm since it is under an open license i think. It is still in alpha though at the time of writing this...
Nextcloud could be of your interest perhaps. It has drive, calendar, contact, messages, photos, and a few things more.
- Anything office related from Nextcloud isncrapcas hell though
  
  OnlyOffice integration in Nextcloud is fine.
  
  Never used the office apps in Nextcloud but the other stuff kinda works.
- +1 for nextcloud but it does kind of point you down the whole self-hosted rabbithole, which is out of scope for most people who just want privacy
I'm very ensconced in Googles environment. I stopped using google for searching, and I disabled every single tracking feature I could find in Google Maps, and my Android phone.

But I rely on gmail, google docs, task, and G-Drive a ton. I see some great suggestions here for Gmail replacements, but what about replacements for Google Docs and G-Drive?
- G-Drive is the easiest to replace, there are tons of storage options out there.
  Google Docs is trickier, of you depend on the "office in your browser" thing. You can self host that, there are no cool options besides that imho. You can just use LibreOffice and sync via the aforementioned cloud space though
  
  Zoho and OnlyOffice run in the browser.
- as long as you have gms running in the background with all the permissions it needs, you can disable "every single tracking feature" in vain.
  
  if you don't want google to track you, you have to get google off your phone
- Proton mail have a cloud storage facility. It is limited amount without a paid subscription though.
- I'm surprised not to see https://cryptpad.fr/ here, a FOSS, self-hostable E2EE web based office suite. Not as feature rich as GDocs but offers the basics in a more secure manner.
- Maybe take a look at Skiff. I’ve just started using it, but it reminds me of a combination between docs and Notion.
ProtnMail + ProtonCalendar worked for me. Doc side OnlyOffice seems solid alternative
- Proton is great for leaving the Google sphere of products. Such similar products. I even hooked a domain up to mine by chance i ever switch mail provider i can use the same address.
there is a long list of alternatives on that post 👉 https://lemm.ee/post/1711966
I switched to Tutanota (cheapest paid plan) and havnt looked back since.
The proton suite or consider murena.io

Murena is the company behind e/os which is a privacy (from big tech) driven android spin. Whether or not you want to flash your phone with the os, you can use their cloud suite for a few dollars a month. It's built on nextcloud, has email, calendar, notes, picture and file backup, productivity suite.....

Murena isn't end to end encrypted like proton, so it depends on your threat model I guess
Immich self-hosted home or on a VPS for Google Photos
Try skiff.com. they're new but similar offerings
I recommend what DuckDuckGo has to say.
- @kworpy @kirua duckduckgo? Wasn't this a time ago grabbing info from their search engine and providing it to Microsoft without our concent? So they are suggesting microsoft products also on that list.... Sorry but duckduck go for me its NO!!!!

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