Hexbear will be federating soon, there should be pinned post explaining it
Hexbear will be federating soon, there should be pinned post explaining it
Hello Users of Hexbear I wanted to have a featured post discussing the next steps for federation. We have discussed this at length among the mod team, and it is pretty much evenly split between federating based on a "block-list" or federating based on an "allow-list". While the mod team slightly ske...
Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow
There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.
I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions
We really need an automoderator bot that posts at the top of all theads (and which community mods can customize a little) which reminds people (hexbear users and liberals from other instances) that this is an explicitly Marxist (communist) instance (no left unity), anti-communism (good faith questions allowed), bigotry, etc won't be tolerated.
Many people use mobile apps. On them you don't see community statements or rules before you enter a place so that's only going to be more of a problem but I understand admins are bogged down with fixing actually broken things and critical infrastructure. Just something I hope they can get to if that ever lets up (or maybe instance admins could do).
That kind of thing.
I don't mind them. I even have an account there but sometimes I need a break from that kind of atmosphere, so I hope we retain the culture of this place because they outnumber us and if anyone is going to impose anyone's culture on anyone it will be them on us via sheer user count and the fact many of them never log off (their joke).
I worry that if we let them they'll turn part of this place into a shitposting instance devoid of theory or serious discussion and bankrupted of serious Marxism in favor of compatible-leftism that viciously attacks core Marxist principles upheld by all AES nations in favor of idealistic, "compromise" anarchist/western thinking.
They're anti-imperialism. Have a good line on imperialism and being anti-NATO, US, and against the synthetic-CIA-left but that's about where it ends. Many of them hold idealistic, vulgar, even occasionally viciously counter-revolutionary opinions/lines. All sugar-coated naturally in getting along and good vibes.
We really need an automoderator bot that posts at the top of all theads.
You know I was just looking at the auto moderator GitHub page, and thinking, I wonder how hard it would be to convert the API calls to Lemmy from reddit.
I think the OG automod used the wiki for configuration. Not sure how to get around that since Lemmy has no wiki.
Probably would need to be configured as a community bot first and then figure out how to expand it into a instance level bot.
I do think you're a little harsh here, but yes an automod feature is sorely needed. I did see some rumblings about making one a few weeks ago on another instance, not sure if they've made an progress though
I mean I take personal offense as a woman at saying women should be able to be rented, sex for profit, commodification of the feminine form and calling that comradely and calling upholding the contrary Marxist view bigotry but go off.
Smattering of electoralists there too, much gnashing over who or if they should voooote this next election.
This is great news.
I hope everyone sees the potential benefits of a united front of left shitposters in the lemmyverse, exposing people to ideas they'd never see on reddit.
Struggle sessions over our differences will be inevitable, but I encourage people to be cool and nice to the hexbears, especially over the contentious topics we hold with them.
Glad to see it's admin approved :)
Is there a specific date of when they will federate with us that I'm not aware of? Because I don't see anything other than "soon(tm)".
Also there are a lot of people in that thread who don't seem to understand what lemmy/federation even is or how it works. Despite how worrisome some of their users and rules can be (CW on meat and milk products? That has to be ironic, right?) I'll still welcome all Hexbears if they follow the rules. I look forward to the day where our communities can finally interact with each other
We will be featuring the discussion post for about a week and then deciding. With a tentative federation for next week or possibly the week after next, preceded by a post explaining federation and proper etiquette for interacting with other instances.
Using the image obscure for pictures of meat and dairy and including a CW is done out of respect for our vegan comrades, and in our opinion takes no actual effort to show respect.
Good, thank you for doing that.
It’s not ironic, the admins invited a vegan circlejerk subreddit and started enforcing the party line that “animal liberation is a crucial component of revolutionary praxis” or something like that.
It still causes struggle sessions.
I think animal liberation should be something that every respectable communist party should support. I'm not a vegan, but I do have vegan sympathies. I'm hopeful that in a future socialist society, there would be enough financing and technological development to have made farming animals seem barbaric and cruel by comparison, and where synthetic/lab-grown meat can become the main option for a majority of the population.
I think its a matter of when, not if. Or at the very least, I think slaughterhouses and farming can be made much more humane for the animals, since profit won't be a motivation, and only feeding people will be. No reason not to treat your food to be the equivalent of a luxury resort before you eventually peacefully harvest them.
I was around for the original r/ChapoTrapHouse from which Hexbear eventually spawned. I posted regularly and spent a lot of time there. After they got banned from reddit, they were on discord for a while, where I became a regular poster in the trans channels, and there's some old bitterness between the entire trans community of that era and Hexbear, with 90% of us (the trans community) being banned for complaining about a moderator who was grooming in the subcommunity. On top of that, this moderator was put in place to moderate this community under the widespread assumption that he was trans, when he was actually cis. That mod was left in place (he was popular mod outside of the trans community) and I don't know if he's still there, but almost all of the trans community that wasn't banned left to join a splinter server. It was clear the moderation didn't give a shit about us (other than planting a spy in the our server and giving sudden bans to people who supported new administation in an upcoming leadership vote).
It's an ancient beef by now, but I deeply distrust them. If they want to come by with genuine apologies, sure, I'm in favor.
But I'm not holding my breath. It's no for me(See below). And I hate to say it because I loved the shitposting and the good times we hadFirst off, I would like to apologize to you and the group of folks harmed, I am 90% sure the person you are referring to is no longer associated with the mod team. The current mod team of hexbear is majority trans and if you feel comfortable I would appreciate the chance to hear your grievances and any suggestions for the community going forward. I realize I cannot undo any of the previous damage but would like to move forward if there is any way to do so, otherwise thank you for speaking up and I wish you the best. (if you don't want me doing this publically, I can delete this)
Nah, publicly is fine. I posted publicly, after all. Hearing that guy is gone is encouraging, and that most of the mod team is trans is as well. You actually can undo some of the damage directed at me personally by checking your discord logs and reviewing my ban. Violated rules once, punished twice for it, many months apart. FWIW, the other lemmy members who are hexbear refugees that I've spoken to barely remember the details, so maybe it's all water under the bridge. I'll clear my no vote, because it sounds like leadership has changed hands and being cordial and soliciting criticism is the most I've gotten from any mod there in the past
Wow holy shit hadn’t heard about this in particular, sorry you had to deal with that comrade. Explains why there was so much struggle about trans people early on in hexbear, especially when it was named chapo.chat from what I can tell (wasn’t there for any of this, but I’ve seen several posts about it pop up when I’ve searched for other things)
for what it’s worth the strict moderation, pronoun tag and lack of downvotes seems to have mostly fixed it, although I’m not trans so I can’t say for certain
Yeah, this was the chapo.chat -> earliest HexBear days
Looking forward to Hexbear federation. I don't know much about Hexbear, but they seem decent, and I hope it will provide a counter-balance against the lib infestation that came over from
.How much is Hexbear different from Lemmygrad?
More joking around, high use of custom emotes, more arguments over frivolous things, and a commitment to left unity. It is dominated by Marxist-Leninists, but you're not supposed to attack anarchists basically. Everyone also has a pronoun flair, and there are content warnings on meat for vegans.
The biggest part is probably site culture. Lemmygrad is a mixture of people who fled here from genzedong, the original people who started this place, and the newest influx of r*dditors. Hexbear came from when r/chapotraphouse banned, and I believe had several other of its own off site influxes). This obviously has led to different memes, posting cultures etc. I think an example of the site culture differences is that because Hexbear came from r/chapotraphouse, it's far more shiposty than lemmygrad. Not to say that we don't shitpost, or they don't effortpost, but our shitposts are mostly confined to comms like [email protected] etc. Their shitposts are also far more unhinged sometimes, I have seen some insane shit in hexbear even having only been there a month.
Another big part is the site rules (which also contributes to some of the site culutre differences). For instance, you can't shit on anarchists as hard or in the same way on hexbear as here, it will get you banned. There are no downvotes on hexbear, so as well as having more users than us they also have more struggle sessions in that the only way to express any disagreement is to leave a comment, here if you dislike a comment you can just downvote and move on (This is just my opinion and only part of it, there are other reasons they have more active comment threads).
The downvotes thing is funny because that's a UI change if I'm not mistaken. So if I'm browsing from a mobile app I'm fairly certain I can downvote. There's nothing about their back end to my understanding (which is limited) that prevents downvotes from being federated or being calculated in their algorithm rank.I wonder if they're even aware that could be a possibility. Would they really want to federate if it meant that other instances could come in and download their threads and comments when they can't?Unless I'm wildly off base here this would extend to federated communities. Meaning they wouldn't be able to vote down content that is appearing in federated communities from other federated instances via their UI?I am incorrect, the server will reject downvotes with this setting enabled! Carry on!
To be honest, I don't think it will be an issue. Although the culture of posts on hexbear is different, I think it is pretty compatible. Maybe just mention things like that you should add CW even for meat/non-vegan products. But that is the only significant difference I can think of. Looking forward to having more comrades here.
I disagree a little, you cannot post the same things about anarchists in hexbear that you can here for instance, they are far more shitposty, etc.
Yeah I think this is a good idea. In a similar vein, it would be good to have a list of leftist fediverse instances with a brief explanation to make it easier to find like-minded instances, avoid anticommunist ones, and reduce pointless arguments.
Most instances block us? Then what's with the spate of traffic and dislikes? Some admins must've forgotten to do it I guess
? I didnt mention that kinda offtopic
regardless we’re still federated with lemmy.world, the biggest instance, and several other smaller instance, but we are indeed one of the most blocked instances
I am annoyed by those instances that block lemmygrad.ml but link to lemmygrad.com. I feel that those instances' mods are engaging in deception
Never heard of that other instance but it looks like they're the common brand of anticommunist leftist. It's very petty but I doubt that linking to a mimic site is really doing much. Besides making the lemmygrad name a little more popular, I guess?
Nice I'll be able to use Hexbear again. Since they changed things a couple weeks ago I haven't been able to log back in. The threads and sign in page both buffer endlessly. Can reload page to fix threads but obviously doesn't work for logging in. Excited to be able to shit post in both lemmygrad and hexbear again.
This is either a cache or cookie issue I think? Can you delete cookies and do ctrl+refresh to fix it?
Last time I checked Hexbear it was a drama factory
I was really involved in it a couple years ago because I ran a West Marches DnD server that primarily recruited from Hexbear (I'm not really involved anymore but it's still going, DM or reply and I'll shoot you an invite). So I know a lot of the posters relatively well personally (though none of the administrators ever joined). Drama is an understatement and I think it ultimately derives from the administrators feeling like they need to personally intervene in every little issue, inevitably blowing it up into massive proportions.
The one moment that has stuck with me is when a user (who was a common player in our DnD server, we'll call her Tammy) made a post mildly criticizing another poster who was making overly saccharine "You are all so valid ❤" posts literally every single day. Basically saying "Hey I get you mean to be nice but this is just annoying". The other user made a big, long "THIS IS WHY I'M LEAVING HEXBEAR!!!" post and Tammy ends up being not only banned (with a snarky ban message) but accused of being a TERF. TAMMY WAS A TRANS WOMAN. She was eventually unbanned and the conversation got turned into "Making allowances for our Neurodivergent members" which is basically saying "You were in the wrong but it's okay because you're a r*tard."
Half of the people in our DnD server who were active in Hexbear would eventually be banned; most (myself included) just stopped using it at some point.
For what it's worth, as long as we get to keep our downvotes and I don't have to NSFW-tag my meatposting, I don't really mind, if anything it'll be fun to laugh at them when they come in here and complain.
As with the other commenter, the admins that were involved with the mod actions regarding Tammy are no longer a part of the admin team and I do wish to apologize to Tammy on behalf of Hexbear (that event was part of the reason hexbear now bans "I'm Leaving" posts).
I personally highly disagree with your phrasing of why she was unbanned as it was a mod action of a single team member, the reason was "toxicity see [redacted] post" and "fucky wucky" while the unban reasons were "Comrade was ND which wasn't initially recognized by the mod team at time of ban. [redacted] Post was meant to be sincere. We are putting in policies to prevent this in the future" both the first ban and the second were reversed by the majority of the mod team disagreeing with the lone mod, not "[Tammy was] in the wrong but it’s okay because she’s a r*tard".
Ultimately I do want to thank you for bringing this up, if any of those half who were banned have any interest in returning I would be more than happy to personally review the bans, but I understand if none wish to return. I extend apologies and regret for how the situation was handled to them as well as yourself and can only say that the team now is very different from the team at that time, and we have done critical analysis on the mod actions taken during that time to ensure we serve the community better.
In closing I would like to state that I also disagree with your comment below regarding Animal Liberation's place in any ML movement, but this is not the time or place for such a discussion.
For what it's worth the Hammer and Sickle is a fantastic west marches server and if you are interested in DnD 3.5 played in a very schedule friendly format with an inclusive group of comrades you should join.
Bans on Hexbear are basically a brush back pitch. Many banned users simply create a new account and move on. Mods do not try to sus out if a new user is a formerly-banned user; it's a clean slate.
All things considered I think this is a good approach. It has the added benefit of reducing the number of "power users" (hate that term) and encouraging people to be less terminally online.
Like at a certain point they auto-banned anyone who ever downvoted a trans user
Good, transphobes get the pit
Did Hexbear update their API version?
How can I access a server? For example I’ve been using “community-name@server” but idk what their server is.
They’re not federated yet, you won’t be able to access their comms till next week (fyi, it was will be [email protected], not [email protected])
Thank you!
The amount of people in the thread calling it a Black-List and White-List is to damn high. It's 2023 people, I would hope we could recognize segregationist language and use the alternatives (Block List/Allow List) by now. The industry has been moved on for a while. We don't use Master and Slave anymore, so let's get with the program.
I'm all for more leftists federating, but I can't help but observe this transition and wince somewhat. Lemmygrad seems to have faired well enough without having to step out of the pool because of the deluge of libs and right wing nutters flooding the pond like stock trout. Even lemmy.ml leans more left still then one might have expected.
Either the community culture is unified enough to withstand federating, or it's not. I think it you have to ask, then it's probably not, and you might need to have the foundation inspected.
Gulag-list and comrade-list
Blacklist is not an American word. It’s a British word originating from the term “Blackbook” in the 15th century during the reign of King Henry the 8th, during which he carried with him a literal black book in which he wrote the names of everyone who opposed his rule or conspired to kill him. Hence everyone on the “blacklist” were marked for execution.
This is the first recorded usage of “Blacklist” which was in 1639 in an English play.
https://archive.org/details/dramaticworksofp02massiala/page/194/mode/1up
Referring to a person as “black” is also a modern invention that arose in the 60’s in America.
Why should the world bend to the Western purview of race and retroactively change their language to accommodate Americans? Nearly 1 billion people speak English worldwide. Why should one nationality get to dictate the rules and what’s “appropriate” using their own social understandings?
I think the people worrying about site culture are just kinda boomers afraid of change, reddit blowing up hasn't really changed lemmygrad culture in the slightest
People should be using "allowlist" and "blocklist", that's even the official lemmy terms for them.