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Both are shit but at least one of them grew up a little and stopped doing this shit
Not a big student of modern history, are you?
"Srebrenica massacre, slaying of more than 7,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) boys and men, perpetrated by Bosnian Serb forces in Srebrenica, a town in eastern Bosnia and Herzegovina, in July 1995. In addition to the killings, more than 20,000 civilians were expelled from the area—a process known as ethnic cleansing. The massacre, which was the worst episode of mass murder within Europe since World War II" source
The christians were committing so many murders of non-christians, because they were non-christians, NATO intervened to protect the non-christians.
Linking to the serb / Bosnian war is kinda cheating.
That's an absolutely atrocious event, which indeed was caused by christians, no doubt. But that whole region was awash with every possible flavor of violence.
Well yes religions tend to throw areas into waves of violence.
In fairness, it's also just a tool to justify the violence against others. "No, I don't want your territory, that would be bad. I want to follow God command, and if there's riches by accident.."
In fairness, it's also just a tool to justify the violence against others. "No, I don't want your territory, that would be bad. I want to follow God command, and if there's riches by accident.."
That seemed clear when I first learned of European imperialism. We learned about Spanish conquest of the new world, we would study their reasons for going to the west. Quoting the period they would say they needed to spread religion, but also that there happened to be a fabled city of gold that they had to find. It's no different today. Authoritarian governments will use whatever means to spread their culture and dominance. Religion is a convenient tool, if properly studied though how can it actually justify any atrocities? Every major religion has specific guidelines about not killing innocent people, not doing 'evil', helping the needy, etc.
Did NATO intervene in NK in 1992 when muslims were killing christians? No, cause those muslims were feral cousins of Turkey, and Turkey is part of NATO. Just in that case christians got lucky and managed to defend themselves.
I think you suck at modern history too.
Please look at the thread title, the post I responded to, and then ask yourself if your response applies.
Applies to statement I was answering.
Okay, I'll explain your error.
@[email protected] was referring to christians that "stopped doing this shit".
You said:
Did NATO intervene in NK in 1992 when muslims were killing christians? No
So how does your comment refute that christians "stopped doing this shit" when I posted the historical reference to Bosnia? Your comment doesn't. What other people besides christians is irrelevant in this line of conversation. Your comment about muslims doesn't apply. We're not playing "but others did it too!" I was responding directly to the comment about christians still doing this.
You could’ve said that without being a dick.
Oh get off your fucking high horse mate. That was some of the tamest shit ever, oh no they pointed out the user was ignorant of the topic they were talking about and didn’t mollycoddle it in a layer of feel good compliments, the fucking horror.
And than you come along and call them a dick.
You're absolutely right, and for that I apologize.
I get frustrated that people make strong statements denying the suffering of others. However, because of how I said it, I'm sure I create more friction that needed. Thank you for calling me out on it. I'll remember this in the future and try to hold my frustration in check.
It's not that religion got better, it became weaker. And at this point there a lot of people in the West who don't subscribe to it hard enough to ignore attrocities. It's important to know it's not individual faith, it's institution that kisses, sloppy style with corporations and governments and supports or even inspires their agenda. Islam in the East could be powerless just like christianity elsewhere if it wasn't married to power-hungry reactionary governments. And even buddhists, who has a white-as-a-bedsheet reputation in the West, did a genocide of muslims in Myanmar. At this point I believe even My Little Pony can become the proclaimed reason for genocide and torture if some congregation of power and force put it on as a mask. And it's a shame that most sceptics who aren't into that BS are less centralized, cooperative, than religious shmucks by their nature.
It actually got better before it got weaker. All those Catholic institutions we tie to the bad parts about Christianity in mass culture (a-and in Sabatini books, et cetera) were actively and productively working against barbaric shit, also influencing legal practices in non-religious matters as a result.
I upvoted your opinion as a legit one, but I don't really agree with that. Even after christianity got somehow okay, we had these fellow christians massacre american natives and roping indians to cannons en masse as they were thought of as barbarians. Even in Iraq, Chechnya, Afganistan, there were still traces of this dehumanization not only by racism, but by religion too. At least that's what I've heard from soldiers who served in these places themselves. It's hard to rationally dissect religious hate from racism, but they usually go hand in hand now. We won't, hopefully, slay another thousand of white Yugoslavian people over it, but for brown persons it's an open question. Still, at least some progress.
we had these fellow christians massacre american natives and roping indians to cannons en masse as they were thought of as barbarians.
Which Catholic clergy was formally protesting all the time, expressing horror and disgust in official documents etc. Islamic religious authorities are now, today, at best split on what ISIS was doing.
It’s hard to rationally dissect religious hate from racism, but they usually go hand in hand now.
Yes, it's just that among "brown people" non-Muslims are more often victimized by Muslims than vice versa.
I understand that in historically Christian societies people want to clear their own conscience first, and American Christian supporters of Israel are a good example of how it looks when they don't, but Islam is a bigger problem than Christianity.
Comparatively, yes, even for themselves, but we had a bad time trying to meddle in their politics and are partially responsible for another wave of radical uprising.
Is it though a correct way to view everything muslim as bad and christianity as miles better than this? Giving christianity an unequal treatment is asking for some MAGA shitheads to overturn another handful of human rights. They are insane bigots who use religion as their tool too.
Yes, it's just that among "brown people" non-Muslims are more often victimized by Muslims than vice versa.
That's known, right. In my lovely country ch3chen forces even steal people on the streets if they are dare to speak up, if they don't want to marry a picked partner or god-forbid if they are gay. If it wasn't allowed by my own federal gov, they couldn't have stolen a poor girl from fucking Moscow that's not heard of for a year+ after that. But it's not even on ch3chens, the inaction and enabling of our own forces if what makes me angry the most, as with other governments exchanging political prisoners with insane states.
and are partially responsible for another wave of radical uprising.
Not sure if "partially" is even needed here, mohajeds are Muslim Socialists sired by the USSR and the West initially, who grew out of control, Al-Qaeda were sired by the USA and grew out of control, Ba'ath (Arab NS give or take) was born of many things, none particularly Arab or Muslim.
Something very basic, barbaric, simple and universal for that part of the world had to emerge.
Is it though a correct way to view everything muslim as bad and christianity as miles better than this?
No, but this principle shouldn't be tied to constants anyway.
If it wasn’t allowed by my own federal gov, they couldn’t have stolen a poor girl from fucking Moscow that’s not heard of for a year+ after that.
They have kidnapped people from Armenia in the past. Recently there was a news article that another such attempt failed, but the beginning was pretty wild - over some connections or acquaintances girl's uncle simply told some people in the Armenian police to arrest her and they fscking did.
And I think I've read about Chechens being kidnapped even in the EU.
But it’s not even on ch3chens, the inaction and enabling of our own forces if what makes me angry the most, as with other governments exchanging political prisoners with insane states.
Russia is one country in the world where minarchism (the second letter is "i") would be absolutely for the best. Faking of everything seems to be so ingrained in the society that only a Darwinist mechanism can help.
One is the single largest pedophile ring in the last 2 millenia.
Christianity was FORCED to stop this bullshit, because otherwise it'd fracture into even more different doctrines than it already has.