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Well who showed up to a protest with just their own weak spindly body against a fully armored roided out line backer with decades of counter protest maneuvers and training.
The clownvoy were fucked but they managed to build a pretty good playbook for how to protest. Show up in a way that overwhelms the authorities and has no chapter in their playbook. I remember cities scrambling because they knew there just wasn't enough tow trucks in the city to do anything and most tow truck drivers were siding with the convoy.
Modern protesters are unappealing to most people to the point that every single person with a job would prefer to the be the boot and that's just PR. I've seen so many protests where I agreed with the cause but hated seeing the protests because they just set things back, never forward anymore.
Sorry... you're blaming police violence on the nonviolent protesters?
Sure, I'm blaming protestors for not being effective. And not specific to any particular event. In general most protests I see in my life have been useless and theatrics. Telling people to just show up and hope for the best in my mind is immoral, unethical and should discussed more.
Dunking on protestors "not being effective" is just the worse. It might be useless to you, but to many it is a useful launching point of some meaningful discussions.
The worst is seeing important causes lose traction and ground others fought for because some group decides they want to take action without properly being prepared and organized.
Just because you're not prepared to talk about the protests in a way that gives traction to the issue doesn't make the protestors wrong.
What do you mean by not prepared to talk in a way that gives traction to the issue?
That these type of events are inevitable and one can prepare and organize to respond with solidarity that shapes the message in the way you think would be beneficial.
They're not inevitable and the ask would be that if you do something do it right. If people decide they will get to this point that they take greater care in representing the issue as they have now elected themselves as the face of it.
Going back to the fuck cars group. Most people know deflating tires is wrong and will make people angry. Going out and doing it for attention and saying its for climate change harms how serious other people perceive the issue. But my options are not be a coward or go out and show solidarity by shaping this message while I deflate tires. Its being responsible enough to know I don't have the ability to drive positive change publicly and so I find other ways.
This has been every protest. Only in retrospect do most people think about protestors as being people fighting the good fight. Every single complaint I have ever seen for contemporary protests I have heard from boomers, and their parents, about the Vietnam protestors. My grandparents and great grandparents generations thought this way of those rebelling against the robber barony.
This is how it is.
Well who showed up to a protest with just their own weak spindly body
Um, Gandhi?
Get out there and show them how it's done then.
Sure, I will not go out there and organize a useless protest or convince people to slash tires in the name of climate change leading to alienating more people to important causes. Seems simple.
Ahh so you are a coward. got it.
Why am I a coward?
My option in life is not get out and protest or not.
That's actually a driver of why I get pissed at these protesters. Its like in their mind the only option they have is protest regardless of outcomes. They have no consideration for consquences and demand everyone accept that what they do is a necessity. They can't fathom that what they are doing is hurting and driving progress on issues backwards. Like you're doing here, they will draw these hard lines of believe vs non believers.
I would put good money on the fact that many protests are driven groups paid for by entities that are being protested.
actually I know of one recently. The Loblaws boycott in Canada is a pretty good example right now of what I think is good civil action. People are building a community and inviting everyone in to participate. No one is Guilting others. But what happened is flyers started to appear saying "steal from loblaws". The main boycott groups rejected this and pointed out this was likely pro loblaw groups trying to get the general public to sway against the boycott. It is easily believable that many people online would have taken the bait if the loblaw boycott groups did not keep a level head. Unlike many other groups like the r/fuckcars sub reddit that encouraged people to go around town deflating tires of random people or other protesters that convince people to go block highways with just their own body during morning commute.
You claim you can get out there and do better but won't.
You are a coward.
No I don't claim that I can do better and that I don't organize people to show up because I would get them arrested and harm whatever cause I decided to drag people out to. That's the point I am making. If you're dragging people out you have their trust and if you're plan is drag them out, get their heads kicked, arrested and charged in the hopes that maybe people notice then it is cruel and immoral and people should do better.
Like what are you saying though. Should every person who talks about police brutality go become a cop and if they do not then they are a coward? How do you resolve that statement?