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It's all just right wing propaganda, convince the population 'Biden is bad, take your ball and go home' and you suppress the vote. They can't institute poll taxes or tests any more, and with vote by mail becoming commonplace they can't rely on showing up at polling places with guns to suppress turnout.
When more people vote the left wins, and that's what the right are afraid of, thus the persistent drumbeat of 'stay home if he's not good enough'.
It's crazy a comment like this gets so many upvotes when
- Thousands of registered democrats have voted "uncommitted" in primaries around the country. Most notably Michigan.
- People are clearly worried about Biden's chances in 2024 despite his win in 2020. Which means somebody who voted for Biden in 2020 won't in 2024.
If you shut every one of these conversations down with baseless accusations that 20/20 hindsight is gonna be super awkward when someone asked "Who could have seen this coming??"
Concerned, yes, and made all the more so when there are a sizable number of people willing to throw a vote out to make a point because he's not flawless and instead let the wolves in while they pretend that their hands are clean.
he’s not flawless
You mean he goes around congress to ship weapons to fuel a genocide. Speak plainly.
Wtf does this have to do with anything about the comment you're replying to?
If you shut every one of these conversations down with baseless accusations that 20/20 hindsight is gonna be super awkward when someone asked “Who could have seen this coming??”
There will be no questions about what happened in that case. It will be because of YOU and people like you posting this shit
It will be because of YOU and people like you posting this shit
You're telling me you believe voters need to cater to politicians? It's Biden's responsibility to represent the people he needs to get elected. His failure to do that is is own. What don't you understand about democracy?
biden isn't on the left, so whether he wins or trump, the left does not win.
This is true, but trump is far further to the right than biden. I'll take losing less over losing more any day even if we can't have an actually left leaning candidate
I expect to have more options on my ballot
I'd love to see a ranked choice multi party system, but as things stand that's not the option we have.
I'm sure that voting for a candidate from one of the two dominant parties will lead to ranked choice voting.
I won't vote for genocide, regardless of the system
Then you will aid it through inaction.
You have aided it by voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries and by refusing to hold him accountable during his term to the people who gave him a chance.
Presumptuous gesture there, personally I supported Sanders in both 2016 and 2020 primaries, but failing that I'll take who has a chance to stop a greater threat over making some protest gesture by writing in someone who has no chance given the realities of the established system.
Another new account was made to comment in another part of this thread to try and argue against voting for an established party because that'll never get a ranked choice vote. To that one I'll say similar to above, making some futile gesture by voting for a non-viable candidate will have even less a chance of getting to the better system sought.
And to the other asking for evidence that the 'genocode Joe' mantra is likely started as an astroturfing campaign, no I don't have some specific source, that was the point of saying it has the 'feel of'. However, if one looks at it for a moment, who benefits by seeking to split the Democratic vote? Who has a noted history of using catchy names to denigrate 'sleepy Joe'? The #hashtag style of things simply reeks of the kind of campaign one would hire a bunch of bot farms to spit out threads like this one in an effort to create a wedge in the more diverse party that just happens to be a threat to the existence of an oppressive 'moral centric' group who seek to impose their world views on the rest of society.
Presumptuous gesture there, personally I supported Sanders in both 2016 and 2020 primaries, but failing that I’ll take who has a chance to stop a greater threat over making some protest gesture by writing in someone who has no chance given the realities of the established system.
Along with fighting, downplaying, undermining, and trivializing anyone who sees things differently.
There are plenty of moderate and liberal voters finger wagging us to support their pro-corporate trash candidate. We don't need you joining their ranks. What we need is for you to tell them they either need to make material compromises with us or lose to MAGA.
See, I won't do that because these sort of ultimatums are counter productive to the larger goal. If liberal ideals are the end target then saying 'give it now or let MAGA take over for all I care' ends up putting everything that HAS been gained at risk to make a point. Letting the far right take control will inevitably move everyone and everything further away from the end goals making it that much more unlikely to make up that lost ground and make any progress in future administrations.
I'll be voting against trump
What will you achieve? Like genuinely explain the material change that your vote for a third party will achieve, other than making trump more likely to win.
the ethics of an action are not in the consequences, they are in the action itself. voting for bad people is bad.
In a perfect world this would be a good strategy, but in the real world we have to vote in the way that gets us closest to the way we want the world to be, even though it is likely going to have its own problems. I would love for a third party candidate to win the presidency, that would be a huge step, but it is not going to happen any time soon. Voting for a third party right now is not a vote against the main candidates, it's a vote of indifference, it's saying "I don't care who wins". If trump wins it will only take us further away from a country where a third party can ever win, biden may do that as well, but it won't be by as much. I know biden isn't a good person, but we cannot let trump win again and biden is the only one who stands a chance against him. I know biden has caused a lot of harm, but I also am very worried that the US will no longer be a safe place for me and the people I care about if trump wins.
Thinking that voting according to your ethics is totally and completely disconnected from the consequences is a privilege not everyone has. Your ideological purity might have the consequences of harming more marginalized people because in your search for an angel, you believed it was better to vote for the devil than a sinner.
Unless you’re telling me that you think your third-party candidates are absolutely perfect, you’re already voting in degrees of “less bad.” Why wouldn’t you vote for the “less bad” that is more likely to win?
Hell I'd settle for centerists making material compromises with the left but the mere suggestion that they do so makes them seethe. They'd rather lose to MAGA.