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And when you say Israelis should leave, you don't mean Arab or Palestinian Israelis right? We know exactly which kind of Israeli you want specifically removed, the Jewish kind.
But even if we follow your argument, I'm native Mayan/pipil. I'll support your idea that Israel return the land, once you fucking return mine and leave my continent.
Wish we could but like the Palestine/Israel conflict we all know we can't. Just need to score internet points.
Wish also that all this insanity had people being specific about what kind of reparations would help heal the wounds rather than arguing that this is the point where a thousand year's blood feud should end with the complete destruction of an ethnicity.
Both these violent theocracies need to go. Fuck them all.
Sorry, we like it here
So because someone is an idiot, everyone gets to be idiots? I fully support leaving native land to native people, but we gotta start somewhere and that might aswell be Israel/Palestine.
Or maybe the answer to past ethnonationalism is not modern ethnonationalism?
oh man that is the edgiest of edgy. such a burn bro. such a burn.
Didn't realize that 'ethnonationalism bad' was such a hot take.
you don't get the nuance man. hes saying the guy is white. regardless of what reality is. so it hits on so many levels. maybe white. maybe just some native blood. oh man. next level shit.
So people who were born in Israel must be displaced and have their homes and lives taken too? That's your solution?
Seems like ur fine when its happening to Arabs.
Because it hasn't happened to most of the residents of Gaza, the land Hamas administers. Gaza has had the 1967 borders since like 2004 and 1/2 the population of Gaza is below 18. So most Gazan have never had land taken from them.
Lmfao. Idk how u can be this wrong
Gaza has the 1967 borders. And in 2004-2005 had all of its Jewish settlements forcibly evicted by Israel.
So most of the population of Gaza (under 18) cannot have had their land stolen from them, as Israel hasn't stolen any land since then.
This is simply a lie that is easily disproven by a quick Google search.
What part is a lie? All of this is easily verifiable.
How did this get downvoted. You're completely right about their hypocrisy.
Because it's not actively happening in Gaza. Gaza has the 1967 borders and no settlements. Israel evicted every Jewish settler in the mid 2000s at an honest effort of peace. And Gaza was suppose to be the model for peace and a 2 state solution in the region.
Instead of peace there's been constant, increasing conflict coming from Gaza. And not just against Israel, but against Egypt and the West Bank too.
This is simply not true.
What part isn't true?
- There have been no new settlement in Gaza Since the Disengagement?
- Gaza has the 1967 borders.
- All settlers in the Gaza strip were evicted
- The Gaza Disengagement Plan was an honest attempt at Peace by Israel's left wing coalition?
- Violence from Hamas and originating in Gaza has increased since it took over the territory.
- Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against Egypt too.
- Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against West Bank too.
Why?
Why not start by giving all of western Massachusetts back to the Wampanoag, Upstate NY to the Iroquois tribes, and the rest of the US to whichever other native tribe was originally lived there?
Or start by giving Australia back to the aboriginals?
Should apartheid have ended by deporting all the white South Africans back to Europe? Or was it a good thing that it ended by, you know, giving black South Africans rights?
Personally, I'm all for a one state solution, so long as it's one secular, democratic state that protects everyone's rights.
Why am I guessing you're white and blonde with 1/16th Mayan ancestry?
I'm brown, black hair, with 67% Aztec/Mayan ancestry and my mother was born in a village without electricity or running water, but sure, keep being racist
and my mother was born in a village without electricity or running water
What does that have to do with anything?
It paint the opposite picture of what the person they were replying to was alluding
What do Mayan ancestry and being raised in village without running have to do with each other?
Is everyone of Mayan descent raised in poverty? No? Then is why he pointing out that his mother was?
He's just looking for pity points.
No, it shows that they're not a privileged person cosplaying oppression.
What do privilege and oppression have to do with Mayan ancestry?
Are all people of Mayan ancestry unprivileged and oppressed? No? Then why bring it up?
Pity points 🙄
Cuz you're an asshole?
Or because I know it's usually Americans who want to have a moral high ground claiming to be natives
Right. Cuz that's a thing...
Yes, white Americans LARPing as natives is an actual thing
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Lmaooo blud's never met the averaged mixed-race mexican apparently
Are you stupid? The average mexican isn't Mayan, they have native ancestry but are of Hispanic culture
Why do you think that is?
Because the Spanish mixed with the natives
Yes, diluting their race to extinction. This is not a "genocide" per se (though the slaughters were), and is to be expected from immigration - but it has led to Mayans' distinctiveness disappearing.
So you're against racemixing? You literally just called it genocide, which is what a lot of great replacement white supremacists believe
I literally said it's not, and that it's normal, precisely because I'm aware of that very fact. Please read carefully next time.
"Deluting race into extinction" sounds like white supremacist rhetoric to me tbh. Just admit your takes about racial purity and "soft genocide" are shit
Okay, you simply aren't listening.
Never once did I say that it's a bad thing for a race to be diluted out. It's the inevitable endpoint of humanity.
The only part that makes it bad is the colonialism and actual murder and genocide that took place at the same time, accelerating its process.
This is the imagery white supremacists conjure when they whinge about alleged "white genocide", but their claims are bullshit because there is no one killing white people en masse and stealing their land.
Race mixing and "dilution" is inevitable when cultures meet and share amongst each other. This is natural and fine. What is not fine is murdering people, stealing their land, and raping their women to produce bastard offspring and create an underclass of mixed people to be brutalised as badly as their native parents, ending with fully native people being replaced by mixes of their rapists.
There is a huge fucking difference here, and by ignoring that you are the one furthering colonial narratives.
The average mexican
The average American is white and fat and 39 years old.
Does that mean all Amercans are white, fat, and 39 years old?
- There are an estimated 9 million Mayan people
- An estimated 8 million live in Guatemala.
- they speak these languages
- Through the self-rule of states in Mexico and Guatamala and the legal framework known as Indigenismo maya people have a surprising amount of autonomy and self-rule.
I know, it's just improbable that they'd be on a place full of Americans, since they aren't even common on Spanish language forums
An American "Latinx" LARPing as a Mayan is a more likely option
And why exactly do you think present day 'Mayans' are so mixed?
They're not? Based on a study of Guatemalan genetics,
It's not being mixed what I'm talking about, I'm talking about being barely native and claiming to be one
Mixed is what you call "latinos"
Let me spell it out for you:
The Mayans are fucking dead
Straight from the first sentence of Wikipedia:
The Maya civilization (/ˈmaɪə/) was a Mesoamerican civilization that existed from antiquity to the early modern period.
Was
Absolutely zero people are alive today with 100% Mayan ancestry.
Civilization is not the same thing as a people.
To also quote Wikipedia,
A civilization (British English: civilisation) is any complex society characterized by the development of the state, social stratification, urbanization, a currency, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language (namely, a writing system).
To quote a different Wikipedia article
The Maya (/ˈmaɪə/) are an ethnolinguistic group of indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica. The ancient Maya civilization was formed by members of this group, and today's Maya are generally descended from people who lived within that historical region. Today they inhabit southern Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras. "Maya" is a modern collective term for the peoples of the region; however, the term was not historically used by the indigenous populations themselves.
In short, that sentence doesn't say what you think it says.
You're insane.
Nice rebuttal
Gengis Khan is dead too. The Mongol Empire is long gone. He's known for being ancestor to millions today. Do you understand that part?
