America vetoes G7 proposal to combat Russia’s shadow fleet of oil tankers
America vetoes G7 proposal to combat Russia’s shadow fleet of oil tankers
US pushes to remove references to sanctions and Russia’s war in Ukraine from a Canadian draft statement
Only a matter of time til they exclude the US with moves like this.
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I support America, their right to sovereignty, and its right to veto this proposal.
And I support the rest of the G7's right to form a "G6" and tell the USA to go fuck itself. And I say that as an American.
And I support America’s right to form a G3 with Russia and China. Maybe G4 with India. Because they are the only countries who matter.
By that logic we should have California, New York, and New England handle all the decision making for America, since that's where all the GDP comes from and thus are the only regions that matter.
Ya know, you may be onto something there.
That’s a pretty stupid idea, the rest of the world is not toothless.
And you think China and India will want to make a new club and obey everything the US says?
No and not really.
Sure, it is their right.
But, please explain if and why you would actually support it happening.
Explain how and who it would benefit.
Sure, this would not only perhaps prevent the rise in tensions but also partially benefit Russia’s economy which would only benefit the world especially with US, China, and India cooperating with each other.
How would it 'benefit the world'?
Well yes that’s the nature of the agreement, it’s our right, but it doesn’t mean we should, especially against the will of the rest of the G7.
What’s even the ostensible excuse?
Bad for business. Russia has a lot of resources and in my opinion, the sanctions aren't warranted. They will be a great ally for the US against China.
Edit: The Quuuuill made a good point in that saying "they did nothing wrong" is wrong itself because Russia does do a lot wrong.
To be clear, you think Russia would ally with the US, and side against China in some kind of conflict?
In relations to a Russia allying against China, I am merely referring to Aleksandr Dugin‘s work, “Foundations of Geopolitics” that people like to mention here.
I suppose in reality, possibly not. I mean China and Russia are planning to start construction of a lunar base next year so relations can’t be that bad between the two.
You are being downvoted, but you have a point. Not sure what the book said, but theoretically it would be advantageous to "gang up" on China and balance them out, instead of Russia increasingly becoming more dependent on China.
Theoretically, there’s a ton of mutually beneficial economic aid. Even better if the three powers get along.
That’s not the nature of authoritarian regimes though (and I am referring to all three countries now). There are just too many opportunities to take advantage of the other, even when it’s not rational, and there’s a long history from all three countries proving that.
Russia famously only cooperates with friends when it comes to space exploration.
Russia has a lot of resources and they did nothing wrong
Well other than genocide. But hey. What's a little ethnic cleansing between friends, I guess
The Russian Armed Forces have committed mass crimes such as Bucha and pulled an Operation Babylift.
The sanctions against them is for the 2022 invasion which overall isn’t really worst than say America’s invasion of Iraq, in fact less so if you compare civilian casualties in both. Russia and its predecessor employed the same tactics in Chechnya (filtration camps), Syria and Afghanistan as Russia now does in Ukraine but the regime did not have the intent to exterminate the Chechens, Syrians, or Afghanis. Compare this to actions of say Sudan, whose regime explictly wanted to exterminate the Darfuri people leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in massacres.
Should US have been sanctioned because of Abu Ghraib? No? So why should Russia be sanctioned?
Despite this, Russia is treated as the kicking bag of the world. Look at 2014 annexation of Crimea where Russia took over Crimea without any shots fired, was welcomed with roses, and even the local military units decided to almost unanimously defect to the Russian side. But despite being rather bloodless compared to say western interventions, Russia's membership in G8 was suspended and America's membership was left untouched despite Iraq.
As to the genocide accusations, Biden said “yes,” but his administration, said “no,” or at least, “we are looking into it" per Rich Lowry of Politco. At least, as a conflict as a whole, I'd say no but definitions vary so outcomes of this question varies.
William Schabas states that, because killings of civilians were more common at the start of the conflict, that weighs against a finding of genocide.
Edit: sorry for the constant edits and re edits, I was quite known for that back in Reddit.
Should US have been sanctioned because of Abu Ghraib?
yes.
If that is what you believe, than I suppose I concede.
@NimdaQA An asinine suggestion.
Why haven't you been hit in the head with a baseball bat yet?
Given the nonsense they are spouting, I'm beginning to think they HAVE been hit in the head with a baseball bat
We expected no less. Funny you don't respect anyone else's sovereignty.
I don’t really see what’s stopping the others from setting up their own task forces without America.
Fuck you.
-a fellow American.
Rude.
So bold, 3 day old account
right? constantly posting, only about same things... you kinda want to ask it to "ignore previous statements" and give as a cupcake recipe 🤣
There's a difference between voting against something and vetoing it.
A veto prevents the other countries from doing it.
That's overstepping its sovereignty, and the outer countries should tell the US to go fuck itself.
Then why have the veto power at all?
I mean, is something really stopping them from setting up their own task forces without America?
They shouldn't have a veto power. They should only be able to control their own choices.