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It's possible for platforms under the influence of the Chinese government and right wing American billionaires to both have harmful censorship.
That was the point of the reply wasn't it? Maybe I assume too much of them.
Nah, the point of the reply was supposed to be "America bad", despite most of us clearly recognizing "Elon bad".
more like "America isn't much better"
I interpreted it as:
haha Chinese censorship
Right here too
The reply just pointed out the hypocrisy of the original poster.
(As in "here you are a willing participant in a forum were censorship is just as bad complaining about how there is this other forum were censorship is bad")
American government bad. A government that Elon will have a lot of influence in starting Monday. There's little meaningful difference between the two.
Still not as much influence as Pooh bear.
Oh honey bear, just you wait.
Not yet, at least. We'll see how the next few years go.
It's hard to take any apologists for the CCP seriously even if they make a good point.
That user is being hypocritical by using Twitter while bashing censorship, but it would be the cultural equivalent to praising Biden or Trump for never drinking and somebody comes along and praises Hitler for also not drinking. You should not praise Hitler even if it is true.
Are they CCP apologists? I have no idea who any of these people are.
Without any context, I read it as:
Haha Chinese censorship
You're on a censored platform too.
In this precise example they are apologists because they're deflecting criticism and bringing up other wrongdoings done by other people in a different part of the world under different means and for different goals.
OK, I dont read it that way so much as "Yeah all these platforms suck", but they are still using them so sure.
But... But... the Tankies told me I had to choose!
What do you mean right wing America bad and China also bad?! But which team are you on then?! Someone tell me which crimes to excuse and which to condemn! /s
I am sure cisgender (顺性别) and other genders are at least shadow-banned on red note. Honestly, I have not heard this word for my entire Chinese-speaking life, until one of my LGBT friend mentioned it.
Everyone knows China is a progressive communist/socialist country that recognizes genders :)
I've come across plenty of LGBT content on REDnote in my short time so far
That is interesting. I am genuinely curious, are these by Chinese people in Mandarin/Cantonese, or your fellow "refugee"?
are these by Chinese people
It could put them in danger if they posted it, we shouldn’t encourage that
Is the situation that dire that a comment like that would put their safety in jeopardy? Genuinely curious
It is not "say gay and go to jail" kind of situation, but LGBTQ community are actively being marginalized, and any form of promotion and organization are likely not paint the participants in favorable light.
One thing that might surprise the west (like the income and cost of living in China) is that Chinese policies are seldom delivered by a publicly avaliable written order, making it hard to find concrete proofs of government wrong doing. This give rises to the word "喝茶" (drink tea), typically means to pressure certain group or individual into submission without a formal procedure or record.
This culture of doing things "under the table" and several crackdown on investigative journalism has led to many inconclusive proof of wrongdoing and some misconception by many people from the west.
However, there are still plenty of evidence that many LGBTQ organizations are forsed to shutdown, non-heteralsexual couple not recieving appropriate benefit, and harassment from officials. Just to list a few,
- LGBTQ society forced to shutdown in top universities: https://bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2022/04/17/the-silenced-lgbtq-students-in-china/
- LGBTQ advocacy group and safe spaces force to shutdown: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/11/06/china-lgbt-advocacy-government-crackdown/ and https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-beijing-lgbt-center-rcna85528
- Wechat and Weibo mass removal of LGBTQ account: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/07/07/wechat-lgbt-accounts/ and https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/07/netizen-voices-lgbt-groups-metoo-activist-shut-down-by-wechat-weibo/?amp
- TV and video game ban: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/10/02/china-video-games-gay-effeminate-men-ban/ and https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/09/03/china-masculinity-sissy-men-tv/
- Chinese non-heteralsexual couple required to list each other as "guardian" to recieve basic benefit: https://www.thepinknews.com/2019/08/06/same-sex-couples-china-name-legal-guardians/
- China public hospital conducts LGBTQ conversion therapy, also requires conversion therapy before gender affirming treatment: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2017/11/hrw-urges-china-end-sexual-orientation-conversion-therapy/?amp
- Weaponizes regulation against LGBTQ societies: https://theconversation.com/the-chinese-government-claims-lgbtq-people-are-protected-from-discrimination-our-interviews-with-26-activists-tell-another-story-215158
- Restriction on LGBTQ dating app: https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3189767/founder-blued-chinas-largest-gay-dating-app-steps-down-after
https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/09/03/china-masculinity-sissy-men-tv/
Talks about more than just the tv ban
Not the worst place, you can apply for someone to be your legal guardian as a way to get around same sex marriage
But there are also no protections
Yes, you are right, sorry for not considerring that.
How? They already posted it to a site that is almost definitely monitored by the CCP.
You should really use /s, almost missed it.
no one said it isn't?
That's what the whattaboutism implies.
Person talking about how the neighbour's yard is such a mess and then somebody else pointing out that their own yard is just as much as a mess is pointing out the hypocrisy of that person, rather than whataboutism.
Whataboutism is the reverse - it's when somebody points out your yard is a mess and you point out that the neighbour's yard is also a mess.
yeah exactly
they only showed that American social media isn't any better