Threads will be implementing federation in the near future and many instances have been discussing whether they should be pre-emptively defederated to protect the fediverse. See below for our local discussion thread, which will remain active until this vote is complete.

Given that this is a time-sensitive issue and it's the holiday season, we decided to initiate the vote a few days early to make sure everyone gets a chance to vote. The vote will be tallied on Friday, December 29th.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288

Only sh.itjust.works accounts may cast a vote

Vote by commenting either yes/aye/oui or nay/no/non

Any further discussion should be posted in the thread linked above

Additional Context/Discussions

Curent lemmy.world discussion

41% of instances have blocked Threads

Extensive discussion at [email protected]

This article has already been linked 10 trillion times in previous discussions, but in case you missed it

For the hard of hearing

IF YOU ARE NOT A SH.ITJUST.WORKS USER, YOU CANNOT VOTE IN THIS THREAD

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VOTE RESULT

In favor (aye/oui/yes) : 200 votes

Against (nay/non/no) : 55 votes

Sh.itjust.works has voted in favor of preemptively defederating Threads.

Thank you for your participation, and happy holidays to everyone!

Should sh.itjust.works preemptively defederate from Threads?

Threads is the not-so-new reddit-like twitter-like public forum platform by Meta, the same commercial company behind internet behemoths like Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp. They're working on ActivityPub integration so that they can bridge (federate?) with the fediverse. As far as I know, the focus is on Mastodon instances, but in the future that could include Lemmy instances too.

Some have raised the question, worried about the future of the fediverse or even claiming that it goes against its definition.

What do you think should be done?

EDIT: correction

EDIT.2: The Vote is on! Go make your voice heard. You have until Friday the 29th.

Fediverse instances' status on federation with Threads

Say “aye” or yes" if you are in favour defederation.

Say “nay” or “no” if you are against defederation.

Only users who have a sh.itjust.works account can vote. Fresh accounts won't be counted.

Welcome, this vote will determine which image we use for our banner image for sh.itjust.works. The discussion thread is in the Agora, and was also cross-posted to ImageAI

Fantastic work on the banners sh.itheads, I think we've got several excellent choices here. I've reposted the candidates below, with credits to the users who submitted them. I culled some submissions at my own discretion.

Each candidate is labeled with a number. In order to vote, simply comment on this post with the number of your preferred banner. You only get one vote. ***

Number 1 - @[email protected]

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Number 2 - @[email protected]

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Number 3 - @[email protected]

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Number 4 - @[email protected]

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Number 5 - @[email protected]

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Number 6 - @[email protected]

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Number 7 - @[email protected]

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Number 8 - @[email protected]

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Number 9 - @[email protected]

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Number 10 - @[email protected]

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Number 11 - @[email protected]

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Number 12 - @[email protected]

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You may also specify a few honorable mentions in your comment if you so choose, as a way to acknowledge the artists' work.

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VOTE RESULT

1. Banner 8 by @[email protected]: 91 votes

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2. Banner 11 by @[email protected]: 49 votes

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3. Banner 6 by @[email protected]: 24 votes

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4. Banner 7 by @[email protected]: 20 votes

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5. Banner 3 by @[email protected]: 19 votes

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Say "aye" or yes" if you are in favor of defederation.

Say "nay" or "no" if you are against defederation.

All of the relevant information can be found in the link below. Thank you all for your input.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/564252

I can only hope for this level of engagement in all discussions going forward 😅

I apologize for the lack of clarity and structure surrounding the process and just know that we are working to streamline the process ASAP.

EDIT: If you post anything in addition to aye/yes/nay/no, it will be removed and I will reply to the comment with your vote.

I am not voting, I am simply cleaning up comments that try to continue the discussion. Just vote and get off the pot people.

If you're from another server, you don't get to vote

VOTE RESULT

In favor of defederation

We are now defederated from EH.

The mod team is currently examining the data in greater detail to arrive at a final count of legitimate votes. Nonetheless, whichever voting system/restrictions we arrive at, the result of the vote is not in question. I will update this post with the final count ASAP. Thank you for your participation, it was a largely successful debate and vote.

First, on behalf of @imaqtpie, @Seraph089 and myself, thank you all for choosing us to help run the community. We're all really excited about the possibilities of both this instance and of The Agora community. We're look forward to working with everyone to make this a great community. Feel free to reach out with any concerns or comments!

Ok, on to the announcement:

Today, I'm excited to share with you some pivotal updates set to streamline our interaction and decision-making processes within The Agora.

The first of these updates is about enhancing transparency. We have established a new and convenient way to track the outcomes of our community decisions. Simply visit this link: https://rentry.co/the_agora. This site will serve as the hub for all voting results, updated at the conclusion of each vote.

Next, let's discuss the changes regarding the use of our existing [Discussion] and [Vote] tags. To foster clarity and improved interaction, all new posts should now carry the [Discussion] tag.

Regarding the [Vote] tags, we're introducing a more structured approach here. Going forward, the [Vote]s will be initiated by the moderation team based on the week's [Discussion] posts and will be posted each Friday and run to the following Friday. This gives ample time for each of us to participate in the decision-making process. Once a vote concludes, the corresponding thread will be locked and the results promptly updated on our new voting results webpage.

For [Vote] posts, your vote should only be cast as a top-level comment. To streamline the process, we ask that you refrain from responding to other votes in the same thread or making non-voting comments. Each [Vote] post will contain details on how to format your comments, and our moderation team will be available to ensure all comments are formatted correctly before the final vote count is tallied.

This is by no means the final process and we're depending on your feedback and discussion to keep improving things going forward.

We understand the concerns about vote manipulation and the discussions around alternate voting methods (like ranked choice). Use this thread to discuss the changes and any concerns or suggestions that you have.

As of now, the tentative plan is to run with this for the first week, see how many issues exist that require voting, generate the vote threads, complete a round of votes and then iterate on the process once we can all see what works and what doesn't work so well.

If that instance is too much for even exploding heads https://exploding-heads.com/post/139643 then it should also be too much for us. Almost all other instances also block these types of instances. Especially since this instance is Canadian and I bet a lot of us are Canadians and I think the laws relating to this type of content are far more strict here. I would prefer to be completely unrelated to these types of communities and instances.

I am generally against defederation but to me this is even worse than the botted instances.

Edit: I hope that as people find new instances or new instances like this open up we can proactively also defederate from them.

See the tool here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/95652

And some discussion of the issue here: https://lemm.ee/post/177673

This tool produces a list of instances which have a very high number of users compared to the number of comments and posts. These instances are assumed to have high number of bot accounts on them.

Some other instances have started blocking them, should sh.itjust.works follow suit?

Of course, this need not be permanent, and will be reversed when those instances resolve the issue.

For reference, this is a list of instances suspected of being botted by the tool's default settings: https://overseer.dbzer0.com/api/v1/instances?activity_suspicion=20&domains=true

Ayes and nays please!

Hey all,

As discussed here, I am looking for 3 new moderators to help with this community.

Please review this post and vote for the candidate you would like to see help on this community.

In no particular order, the candidates are:

• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]
• @[email protected]

I invite you to review users post history when deciding on voting.

This thread will be open for 72 hours (until Friday June 23rd, 8PM ET) at which point voting will stop. Any votes after this time will not be counted. I will try to lock this thread after that time so people do not accidentally continue voting.

Everyone gets 1 vote, including the users being considered. The top 3 will be given mod powers of this community to help with organization of discussions and votes.

Please vote by calling the persons name. For example, if I you wanted to vote for TheDude you would reply with: TheDude

There's been plenty of discussion on defederation.

1. https://sh.itjust.works/post/103490
2. https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888
3. https://sh.itjust.works/post/229169
4. https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703

I propose we defederate no instance other than those with egregiously illegal content such as CP. Note that I know of no such instances.

As of the moment of this post, the only defederated instance is lemmygrad.ml, so voting Yea would refederate them. It's a genocide-denying Marxist instance.

I have seen many a democratic initiative ruined by trolls, bot accounts, duplicate accounts, and assholes. The best way to ensure that democracy doesn't spiral into Haiti is to allow only financial contributors of $5 or more to vote (once the boss man has his contributions system up and running). You want to help build this community? OK, then put your money where your mouth is. To be clear, it should still be one vote per person, whether you donate $5 or $500.

Registrations should require a valid email address and temporary/disposable (e.g. temp-mail.org ) email services should be rejected.

Note this should not be implemented as a whitelist; "obscure" email services such as Protonmail, Tutanota and personal email servers should be allowed.

Pros:

• Cuts down on the number of trolls attempting to register, reducing load on mods and admins.
• Improves our standing with other instances.
• Ensures users have the ability to reset their password.

Cons:

• Has privacy concerns - people may not want to associate their email address with everything.
• Users may not (and perhaps should not have to) trust the admins of this instance with their email.
• May not be supported well by Lemmy, and/or require a blacklist that needs updating.

Aye and nay in the comments, please.

Currently there is no rule for when a vote is over, or when the vote is tallied. I propose we allow 24 hours from post creation to allow everyone in the community to have a chance to see and consider a proposal and vote. After 24 hours from post creation, the 'polls' would close and the votes can be tallied. Any votes cast after 24 hours would be invalid.

Edit: some good points made, I withdraw this proposal

My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.

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My understanding is that it’s not currently possibly to flair posts on Lemmy. However, I want to suggest that we establish some basic etiquette/format for posts, such as beginning a title with [Vote], [Discussion], [Poll], [Question], or something similar. I believe that this could help clarify content. This etiquette could be outlined in the sidebar.

In favour, reply: “Aye”

Against, reply: “Nay”

ETA: This would apply only to the Agora, not across the entire instance. Additionally, these would be superseded by flairs if and when that becomes a possibility.

Those in favor reply "Aye"

Those against reply "Nay"