‘Nobody’s hands are clean’: Obama urges reflection amid Israel-Hamas conflict
‘Nobody’s hands are clean’: Obama urges reflection amid Israel-Hamas conflict
Reflecting on his presidency, Obama posed the question, “Well, was there something else I could have done?”
Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”
“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.
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This is bullshit. Israel's response is completely disproportionate. 2000+ children are dead in Gaza.
Terrorists consider civilian casualties to be a scorecard. Hamas benefits when there's Israeli civilian casualties. Hamas also benefits when there's Palestinian civilian casualties.
That's the whole point of taking hostages isn't it? To force Israel into a ground campaign which will cause Palestinian civilian casualties.
The military forces of civilized nations don't consider civilian casualties to be a victory no matter which side it's on. They have an objective and need to achieve that objective while minimizing civilian casualties. The objective of the IDF is to free the hostages. They will make an effort to minimize civilian casualties. But they must achieve that objective even while know civilian causalities are a certainty even when they make an to keep those casualties to a minimum.
This is the nature of war. And this is a war Hamas started. And remember there could be significantly fewer casualties (and a humanitarian ceasefire) if Hamas released the hostages.
But they won't do that because their objective is to maximize the number of Palestinian casualties because many people look at those casualties and become angry and want to support them.
Netanyahu will lose power because of 1400 Israeli deaths. Both Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties are considered to be a failure by Israelis.
Both Israeli and Palestinian civilian casualties are considered a success by Hamas. They are psychopaths that know how people react to these numbers.
Constantly bombs refugee camps, schools, and hospitals This is just war, bro. Yeah we have the 4th most sophisticated and accurate military on earth but we just can't help hitting civilians who just happen to be a minority in their own land...
Dude, the logical hoops you'll jump through to justify a genocide is extremely concerning.
Holocaust scholars all over the world have even condemned the bloodshed.
This isn't the cost of war. It's punishment. It's imperialism.
I like your username
The objective of the IDF is to free the hostages. They will make an effort to minimize civilian casualties.
When a legitimate target is hiding among civilians, there are two possible responses:
- Civilized nations: "F%ck, guess we'll have to wait until they move"
- Non-civilized nations: "Collateral damage"
But they must achieve that objective even while know civilian causalities are a certainty
No "buts". Like it or not, defend it or not, that's what non-civilized nations do.
Yep, genocide not cool Israel. The future will not be kind to you.
But only because they are the ones in power. If the positions of power were reversed, it'd be pretty much the same thing, except Hamas would be the one performing the apartheid and the genocide.
It's probably true. But it's still a disproportionate response.
Bullshit made up comment.
"Violence is the language of the unheard" - MLK
So not bullshit, just something you want to excuse.
If Israel wasn't stealing the land of Palestinians, there would be no Hamas.
Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse what Hamas has stated for itself to stand for.
Sure it does. The jews are the occupying force that is committing genocide against their people. You don't expect them to have an opinion about that?
Nope, sorry. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because someone was abused as a child doesn't give him a free pass to abuse their own children. Also:
The jews are the occupying force
That's a pretty racist/antisemitic way to put it, specially when there have been protests by Jews against both Netanyahu and his "war". Neozionist, ultra-orthodox, colonists; take your pick, any or all are better ways to refer to those responsible.
You seem to not understand what a proportionate response in war is. Israel's goal is extermination of the terrorist threat in Gaza, their actions are proportional for those goals. Not lost in the calculation is the terrorists saying they intend on continuing their terror attacks on civilians, making a ceasefire all but impossible to institute.
The question of whether or not it's humane or ethical is a different question that should be debated.
The only reason a terrorist threat exists at all is that Israel has openly said they are trying to genocide Palestinians. Combined with the last 30 years of Apartheid they've already done.
The only reason a terrorist threat exists at all
How did this recent war start again?
75 years isn't that recent
Mhm it's almost like after 75 years there are generations that have been born on this land, and now are the locals.
So you're for a 1 state solution with equal rights and a government ran by the majority like south Africa?
So you're for a 1 state solution with equal rights
Sure, or a 10 state solution. Whatever, the number of states doesn't matter.
ran by the majority like south Africa
I oppose absolute democracy. I would support a representative state with strong constitutional protections.
South Africa is a representative state dude
By Israel running an apartheid state and committing countless war crimes against the people of Gaza. What is your point exactly?
HAMAS deserves to win lmao
Do they though?
It's people like you who are why more children will die. The savage thirst for the blood of Jews will lead to countless Palestinians dying.