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Hmm, I understand the concept, but this should be adjusted:
"Why Donald Trump is Being Prosecuted"
"Because he is accused of committing crimes."
Remember, folks, innocent until proven guilty.
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Yep, and surprising absolutely no one.
In my view, innocent until proven guilty is a concept that only applies to legal proceedings. It’s a vital concept to apply to the state to prevent tyranny. But the colloquial standard of proof is much lower, We know he did those things, he’s even admitted it, and those things are crimes. He committed crimes.
And, we can safely say it, and it will have no effect on the legal proceedings, because we’re not part of them. Let’s not muddy the waters, and let’s save “allegedly” in the colloquial context for things for which we have no proof. Otherwise, how do we talk about cases like OJ Simpson? Everybody knows he did it, but the state didn’t meet its burden of proof in court. In the legal sense, he’s not guilty, and in the colloquial sense, he’s guilty, and both of those things can be true at once.
From a legal perspective? Sure.
From the litany of publicly available evidence? He's definitely guilty, and I'm comfy saying as much and treating him as such.
Even from a legal perspective, he's been found guilty in civil court several times already and if the justice system works at all (which, granted, is not a given in the US), it's only a matter of time before he's found guilty in a criminal court as well.
Not to mention impeached twice...
Not going to matter ultimately. Republicans have dedicated themselves to making impeachment charges meaningless. Every single Democrat president is going to get impeached from here on, unless republicans can kick the trash out of their party.
I didn't say it as an indicator of consequences - only confirmation of guilt, but yeah - that's otherwise a pretty accurate take from where I'm sitting.
Of course, and I'm not disagreeing with you. :)
Yeah, jury already found him guilty and the judge twice said we're allowed to call the rapist Trump a rapist. In his business fraud case, he is also already found guilty. So he is already a rapist fraudster. I think the meme stands as it is.
Reread the meme. It's not asking why Trump is guilty, it's asking why he's being prosecuted. Being accused of a crime is what precedes criminal prosecution, regardless of whether or not one actually committed the crimes one is being accused of.
Reread the meme. Everything in it is true.
We've all seen the evidence. We've seen the pictures of classified documents sitting in Mara Lago. We've heard the recording of Trump openly admitting that he didn't declassify them and shouldn't have them. It's farcical to pretend he's not guilty.
"Yes that's me in that video murdering those people, and I'll do it again!"
Hey guys, we gotta presume innocence!
Your joke suggests a different situation where the accused is declaring their guilt. Not exactly the same thing.
Actually very close to the same thing, since Trump has declared his guilt too. Just because he framed it as a good thing to do doesn't make it any less of a confession.
I never said he wasn't guilty. I merely pointed out that an accusation is what precedes legal prosecution, regardless of whether or not the accused actually committed a crime. Despite irrefutable evidence of Trump's crimes existing, it remains important to remember the way the system actually works.
We're not on the jury. We can say what's obvious.
Fuck off with that nonsense. There's been incontrovertible proof and unwitting confessions from himself publicly available for years and he's been found guilty in civil courts several times. It's only a matter of time before he's found guilty in criminal court too. Unless the "justice" system is as broken as it sometimes seems to be.
Bottom line, there's more proof of him being guilty than of owls existing.
Reread the picture. It's not asking, "Why is Trump guilty?" or "Did Trump commit crimes? It's asking, "Why is Trump being prosecuted?" Too many innocent people are prosecuted for us to ignore this distinction when it regards someone we despise.
Nope, still a load of shit in the specific case of Trump. It's innocent until proven guilty and there's more publicly available proof of him being 100% without a a shadow of a doubt guilty than of cheetahs being fast runners.
Innocent people might also be prosecuted, but Trump has committed multiple crimes and that's why he's being prosecuted. It's not any more complicated than that.
He has admitted to crimes himself on video countless times.