So this whole vigilante murder thing...
So this whole vigilante murder thing...
[EDIT] Inb4 more people try to suggest that I'm mourning the loss of this scumbag capitalist fuck: No, I'm not sad he's dead. No, I don't think corporate murder is acceptable and no, I would not ever rat to police if I knew the shooter and yes, I believe the punishment fits the crimes he's committed against untold thousands of people. THAT SAID...
I'm not down with vigilante murder or anything because it seems like the slipperiest of slopes toward chaos, but what other option is there in a situation where someone seeks to make an impact in this way? You can't just beat up evil CEOs and let them go back to work. It would be naïve to expect them to change their ways when faced with consequences for their actions and then promptly let go. It just seems like the chances that it emboldens their penchant for exploitative behaviour and disdain for people in need are too high.
We're just born into and strapped to this capitalist ride and expected to sit quiet and make these leeches their billions. How else can this cancerous greed possibly be dealt with? Is vigilante murder the only effective option? Honest questions. I'm terribly conflicted and I'm genuinely curious what more reasonable and intelligent minds than mine think about this because I can't think of an alternative to murder in this case.
Ideally, we wouldn't have to resort to vigilante killings to level the playing field but I 100% understand that we don't live in a society where the rich will ever give a fuck about the rest of us or would ever sacrifice their power over us in the name of goodwill.
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I'm really not comfortable with all the cheering of this evevtm
The guy might have been a huge POS, he was not personally responsible for a broken and violent system that Americans have created for themselves. Americans continue to democratically elect individuals from the dominant class who promote inequality, they have the system they deserve.
When Obama timidly tried to correct the healthcare system, Americans voted, twice, for someone who promised to destroy what was build and replace it with the “concept of a plan.” They made a democratic choice, they chose a pedophile billionaire to run their country, this is no french revolution.
That CEO guy was just one of millions who WANT the system to be unfair. What is this shooter gonna do, kill every capitalist in the US?
We hung the "just following orders" guys after WWII.
They weren't personally responsible for the system they perpetrated. But we hung them anyway.
Same thing here.
Or is your gripe that it came from the bottom up instead of the top down? That it was righteous fury instead of cold legality? Because the legal side has utterly failed us. Been corrupted if not outright captured. It serves them not us. Million dollar fines on billion dollar profits aren't a penalty. They're a rounding error, an operating expense. Already accounted for in the budget.
Leave people with no recourse. No justice. They'll make their own way.
They weren’t personally responsible for the system they perpetrated. But we hung them anyway.
A couple of questions for you:
Will you be shooting every capitalist in the US? Is an Amazon worker "perpetuating the system"? Is an Amazon consumer is? Who will draw the line between the victim of the system and the responsible for it, you?
And no, we didn't just hung every German who followed orders.
Again, I'm deeply anti-capitalist. But Americans choose this system over and over, of course the shit will hit the fan, I just don't believe shooting CEOs will fix things, unfortunately.
Will you be shooting every capitalist in the US?
Historically socialist states are very pro-rehabilitation, once the former ruling class is not an immediate threat. PuYi for example, the last emperor of China, who'd been a willing puppet of Japan, ended up living his life doing menial jobs such as street sweeper, actor, gardener, and tour guide.
Nicholas II on the other hand, had white armies fighting just a few hundred miles away and potentially the armies of Europe making him an active threat.
So should all capitalist of the US (probably meaning around 96% of the population), get shot or rehabilitated? Which is it?
Capitalist doesn't mean someone who supports capitalism, those people are called liberals, capitalists are people who own significant amounts of capital.
Typically it's only used to refer to the big capitalists, your car dealership owners to owner-operator plumbers are small capitalists whose class interests are generally opposed to both workers and big capitalists.
Less than 1% of the population are big capitalists, and of them I'd support all of them getting rehabilitated once they're no longer a threat, the death penalty only makes sense against active threats IMO.
Though China has had some success using the death penalty in cases of gross social murder, such as when a baby formula maker poisoned a dozen babies, several executives were executed, and they haven't had any baby formula contamination since.
The guy might have been a huge POS, he was not personally responsible for a broken and violent system that Americans have created for themselves.
No one snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche.
That CEO guy was just one of millions who WANT the system to be unfair. What is this shooter gonna do, kill every capitalist in the US?
Of course not, a single person could never do that. But the millions (probably closer to tens or hundreds of thousands) of people who want the system to be like this are outnumbered by the people who have to suffer in it, so they'll just encourage more acts like this by pushing people to extremes.
But the millions (probably closer to tens or hundreds of thousands) of people who want the system to be like this are outnumbered by the people who have to suffer in it,
77 millions Americans voted for your president knowing exactly who he is :a liar, pedo, rapist, felon, with absolutely no plan for healthcare. Not only do they want the system to be the way it is, they wanted it to be even more unfair, even the people who suffer for it are brainwashed.
I wish you guys a civil war, if that's what you want, but I doubt it will ever come.
Don't count on the fact they want the system to be worse. In reality, the Democrats' message of 'nothing will fundamentally change' is likely a much bigger driver, as were the lies they chose to believe from the pedo/rapist in the face of reality. Especially given the bipartisan approval of this event.
That's bull. Democracy isn't how Trump became president either time. It's an oligarchy, powered by dirty money and dirty deals. This one death just saved thousands of lives, if not a lot more. You don't think healthcare CEOs have a direct hand in lobbying and political trickery?
This one death just saved thousands of lives, if not a lot more.
I think it's quite naive to believe insurance company will now change their way of doing things because one their CEO got shot. Unfortunately, I think will be replace by another one just like him and the only thing that will probably change is that they will hire security and make "customers" pay for it.
A majority of Americans want the system to be the way it is, keep shooting CEO and they will want the government to act to prevent it.
USA is the result of decades of under-education and media misinformation. Want it or not, a majority of voters chose Epstein's closest friend to be president.
democratically elect
Learn how us system works child
So the election system is broken and anti-democratic? Does that mean the jan 6 rioters where right to attack the capitol? US is going to shit, and Americans citizens are responsible for it. 77 millions voted for Epstein's closets friend, twice, they know exactly what they were getting.
Us was never a democracy.
It found by slaver class turned into oligarchy during the industrial revolution.
Post ww2 white middle class was a mistake that ruling class is fixing as speak speak.
You are right we are responsible for this but the population is not quite ripe to fix it.
Although whoever denied ceo' claim to life is sending a message to the paeasite class.
They will retaliate tho
Well if you guys are ready for a social revolution, I will be happy to support it (I'm not a US citizen). Unfortunately I've seen too much stupidity not to be cynical about the chance of it happening.