tbf, some people seem to think that the only reason communism failed was because the evil imperial west successfully destroyed all the innocent and fully-functional communists. When someone refuses to acknowledge the Stalinist descent into totalitarian disaster or the CCP's decision to independently move towards some privatization in the name of efficiency, that's not a great sign of a clear-minded person. You know, I don't think N Korea would be a socialist paradise if only we lifted our sanctions.
It's complicated, ultimately.
Greed always corrupts. When the tanks come out to force everyone to be equal, eventually those who control the tanks realize they can do whatever they want in the name of “communism” and it always turns into a totalitarian government.
Communism is great, when everyone benefits. But if there is a single person who has more than their neighbor, the system failed.
Agree with some if your points but North Korea is not a socialist country. Their self proclamation doesn't make it one in ths same way that I can proclaim to the the smartest person in the world without it being true.
Having democracy (voting rights) is a prerequisite for a socialist society. Some forms of socialism has a proxy government, but that government is elected by the people. The most basic requirement for socialism is a country where its workers decide on its production. North Korea is a dictatorship and has a command economy. Saying North Korea is socialist is akin to saying England in the middle ages were socialist. Both countries were governed by dictators and everything was decided by the kings court. We call that Fuedlism, not Socialism, don't we?
The US moved towards socialism with the federal government instituting social (emphasis on social) programs, so does that mean the US is a failed capitalist state?
No, it takes much more than that to be a failed state. Their shift away from a command economy to a hybrid system is a lot more notable than our rather pathetic public services sector though.
I mean, both could be brainwashed. Or neither. It's funny, but rationally pretty moot.
Just because many people say the same thing does not mean it's false. And just because you're the only who disagrees does not mean you're right.
Or maybe it's rather a matter of taste and opinion.
Though I don't see many communist paradises where people try to migrate in masses. While many non-communist countries exist which have such a pull. Ah, silly me, that's probably due to all the propaganda only.
While many non-communist countries exist which have such a pull.
Is that your measure for assessing how good a system of government is? Because many Westerners like to retire in Thailand, and it alternates between being a blatant military dictatorship and a thinly veiled military dictatorship.
Right, I should have clarified that. No, not my measure, I agree with you on that. It was just some measure, which seemed better than "do the opposite of what others say". Because actions matter more than words, or so.
Though I don't see many communist paradises where people try to migrate in masses.
You mean en masse.
Correct both are mind washed but the truth is far worse, the truth is there is no perfect system and by that I mean with a large enough system you are have to harm someone so to someone every rule law or procedure is harmful so everyone is correct the other side is evil, so the only sane thing to do is pass laws that are beneficial to ourselves of course that is incredibly selfish but and the logical thing to do from a societal perspective is do what benefits the majority, but we are not the majority we are an individual and that is what is best for us.
The only reason this will get downvoted is the majority disagrees but as an individual you know it to be true.
I believe anything people tell me without thinking about it. Now hand over those delicious bubbly candies.
I mean, communism is objectively bad.
