Increasing numbers of voters don't think Biden should be running after debate with Trump — CBS News poll
Increasing numbers of voters don't think Biden should be running after debate with Trump — CBS News poll
Some Democrats question Biden's ability to campaign in the 2024 presidential election, divide over whether he should be the nominee, after voters say Trump won debate.
- I’m as surprised as anybody, but the non loaded-to-elicit-a-particular-answer framing of the question showed basically no change after the debate. Polls from the day after the election which asked, who do you want to vote for for president, showed basically no change in the answer (respectively, 45/43 for Trump, and 45/44 for Biden). I will continue to be surprised if that keeps happening but definitely that’s how it actually objectively happened, so far.
- It is highly notable to me how unanimous in the media is the narrative “Biden’s in trouble because he fucked up the debate” - which, however much of a very real problem it is that he’s old as fuck, isn’t borne out by polling data - whereas they didn’t write too much about “Trump’s in trouble because he caught a bunch of felonies”, even though that was reflected in a few percentage points’ drop in his polling (remember? that was when Biden started ticking higher than Trump in national polls every now and then, which he’s still doing, which he hadn’t been able to do before?). As a good example check out this lapdog bullshit
It seems very clear to me that the media is, as they often do, pretending that they are reporting on trouble for the Democratic candidate, when actually what they are doing is finding a way to frame a legitimate story to do their best to create the trouble that are pretending they are reporting on.
Biden steps down and makes a powerful endorsement.
Delegates are open to choose a candidate.
DNC sets up a ranked voting process.
Top two have a run off
Superdelegates support the winner satisfying the nomination threshold.
A energized united party beats Trump and wins down ballot races.
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opportunistic Democrats gaslight voters into thinking Biden is fine, “just lost his fastball”
Trump wins a legislative mandate
Democrats blame young voters and Progressives
That part, I won’t say you are wrong about. The American electorate is wrong enough in how they set their priorities that I think Biden’s performance at the debate was a massive problem.
What I am saying here is that it’s weird that the stories are “why Trump’s felonies are not important” and “why Biden’s elderly nature is hugely important,” when the data points the exact opposite way. Honestly, I think maybe people’s understanding of what is important in politics may be quite a few ticks ahead of the media is giving them credit for when they publish stories like this.
I don't think he should be president now.
I have yet to meet IRL a single left-wing politically engaged person who says anything other than that Trump will be such an objectively guaranteed catastrophe for everyone in the world that we should vote for whoever’s running against him, whether that person is Biden or Kamala Harris or a blind dog dressed up in a business suit. All the people who say Biden’s old and so they can’t vote for him are fairly un-politically-aware types who aren’t especially left wing in their personal beliefs.
And yet the internet is full of these super left wing people who feel real aggressive about not voting for Biden, like even more aggressively about that, apparently, than they do about any particular left wing cause, about immigration or going to the Palestine protest or what have you.
It is curious
It's accelerationist. You and I can openly talk about America's failures and discuss the disasters objectively. The fascists at the levers of power that run roughshod over the United States government for the last century. Precisely because we actually want to improve things and to help people.
Accelerationist don't. Or at least they think they do in a warped and twisted way where the only way to do it. Is to destroy the west, to destroy its governments, to injure the people. And then only once everything has collapsed can they build them back up into a system. Which objectively has been shown to be no better than the system they currently have. But in their eyes would magically somehow be better.
It's manic, cultish Behavior. As an actual leftist in a red State I definitely don't see that type around here. But I'm sure in more liberal areas they exist. Really though more than anything it's just a demonstration that even those of us on the left are acutely vulnerable to propaganda and radicalization as well as being indoctrinated into cults.
I feel pretty aggressive about Biden aiding and abetting genocide, supplying Israel with enough bombs to turn Gaza into a death camp. I feel pretty aggressive about Biden just coming out against gender affirmation surgery for minors for no fucking reason. I'm also still feeling pretty fucking aggressive that he broke the railroad strike, but that was years ago so you probably forgot about it.
Biden being medically unfit for the office has basically nothing to do with me not wanting him to be president.
But at least it's something I can shove in your fucking face so maybe you'll pressure the Democratic Party to replace their nominee. Whatever is the straw that breaks the camel's back is good enough for me. We haven't had a Convention yet! There's still time to replace him! If you don't, he is absolutely going to lose and it won't be anyone's fault but Biden and his blue MAGA cult.
If only people kept warning us about this for 6 years. How could we posibly have known?