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Better be a toyota or you both just threw away $5k
Although Toyota is the GOAT of reliability, there are other manufacturers that score highly on consumer reports too such as Mazda or Subaru.
Owned all 3, and can confirm they're all super reliable and, depending on models, super fun drives
Based purely on personal experience, Honda is generally far more reliable than Toyota. Mazdas are very hit or miss and Subaru, while fun as hell to drive and work on, are probably the least reliable of the Japanese manufacturers. But they are all excellent options compared to everything else.
As a Subaru owner, I can sort of agree they are not the most reliable after 100-120k, but at least they feel solid and are generally fixable when compared some Korean or American models that cost more to fix than buying another one.
Also, I am not sure how reliable Nissan is now, but they took a big dive in both reliability and build quality from around the 2010s their cars felt like cheap plastic. My 1998 Nissan Sentra outlasted my cousin's 2005 (and 98 was already not as good as earlier 2000s models).
Ironically, my Chevy has been way more reliable than my wife's Honda. They're both the same year, and about the same mileage too. Actually, I think my Chevy has more mileage now, since we usually drive that, when we go out together.
score highly on consumer reports
Subaru
JD Powers rated #1 for head gasket failure twenty years in the running.
The boxer engine is a fundamentally flawed configuration.
And you'd better pray there are no transmission issues.
Don't you drive a BMW, though? You've made it pretty clear in other comments lol
what is owning multiple cars?
Current garage (backyard) update:
1966 Volvo P1800
1987 BMW 325is E30
1984 Volvo 240 Turbo
1988 Volvo 240 GL
1991 Lexus LS400
1998 Toyota Corolla (summer daily driver, 430k miles, original engine, transmission, suspension, etc.)
2001 BMW E39 M5
2002 Chevrolet S10 (work truck during summer)
2007 Volvo XC90 V8 (winter daily driver, Japanese built V8 engine and transmission, two owners, 130k miles)
In your own opinion that's a whole lot of money you've thrown away right there, clearly you must be an idiot...
If you're saving up five grand for months for what I presume is your only car, you'd be a fool to not get the best one you could buy - a Toyota. After that, knock yourself out with whatever projects you want. My Corolla was the first car i ever bought myself and will probably be the last one i own after selling/trading the others.
It's funny because if you had bought a V6 Toyota truck from the same year you would have been in for one hell of a ride! Engine top end and frame that needs to get replaced, talk about top notch reliability 😘👌
I know it's hard to admit we might be wrong, but reliability varies by model and a Civic will be just as reliable as a Corolla and it's been the case for decades now.
Agreed with you about Toyota. Best cars I've ever owned. But damn I'd love a less reliable sports car for gun.
My Honda HRV is generally agreed to last 300k and up to 20 years. I will not consider myself ill-used if it makes it 75% of that.
Maybe even 50%. I buy new sofas, computers, phones, clothes, glasses, mattresses, etc. on a faster cycle.
Even cats and dogs as pets may not live as long.
If I ran a business off my transport maybe I'd feel different, but I'm not that fussed about a car per decade.
If you go to a Toyota group and tell them your car lasted 300k miles they'd ask what you did to kill it so early
Sure but also, ive then been driving the thing for nearly 20 years by that point, there are other considerations: safety developments / code, electronics, interior materials, rust, cabling/tubing that it might just be better / more comfortable / nicer to replace.
How are they so damn good? Ive got an old '02 Tacoma with 350k miles on it and the original transmission that I still drive around because the damn thing just keeps going.
My mechanic was driving an Audi S4 with the same mileage and original clutch and turbos, so one example doesn't prove much...
How's your frame going?
Entire thing got replaced for free about 8 years ago. Including full brake lines, rear suspension, and a few other things.
There you go, that's a huge reliability issue and the only reason it's still road worthy is that there was a recall.
At least toyota respects their customer enough to provide the recall. Many other makes would claim it was just regular wear and tear.
You realise that recalls aren't done out of the goodness of the manufacturer's heart but are actually mandated by authorities?
Tell that to Mitsubishi
In my experience, toyota is on the better end for frame rot compared to other makes. Hell jeeps practically left the factory with rotted frames.
You've never heard of the frame recall, have you?
how are they so good.
Western production "profit worship" systems are literally incompatible with making good products. Toyota has refused to cave to western pressure of creating plastic, planned-obsolescant quote unquote cars.
Toyota is very much a for-profit business, and even donated money to the Trump campaign in 2016 because of his promises of corporate tax cuts.
They are also pushing back on EVs to continue their hybrid line. They also lobby Australia to prevent emissions standards.
They have a reputation for reliability. But they still worship profits above all other factors
Sure grandpa, we still live in 1986
Please show me one (1) report from the last twenty years that doesn't put Toyota/Lexus in the top for reliability or maintenance costs
There's a pretty fucking big difference between saying "I hope they got a Toyota because it's the most reliable." and "I hope they got a Toyota because otherwise they threw their money away."
Your can get a Honda or Mazda and it will be just behind Toyota in reliability or it will be even more reliable than the equivalent Toyota depending on what kind of vehicle you want (Toyota has had some failures too in case you only look at what consumer report says but actually don't know anything about cars) or you could get a Maserati and it will spend its time at the dealership.
Also, guess you should have kept your money instead of throwing it away?