Biden is targeting Trump's 'extremist movement' as he makes democracy a touchtone in reelection bid
Biden is targeting Trump's 'extremist movement' as he makes democracy a touchtone in reelection bid
President Joe Biden says there's an extremist movement that doesn't share the basic beliefs of democracy.
President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.
“There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy. The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.
Although voting in the 2024 Republican primary doesn’t begin for months, Biden’s focus reflects Trump’s status as the undisputed frontrunner for his party’s nomination despite facing four indictments, two of them related to his attempts to overturn Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.
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But will he do anything to stop their extremism or reduce their numbers?
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No.
What exactly do you expect him to do?
he is the goddamn president of the USA. US presidents have invaded third world countries on a whim, signed countless kill orders, done excessive subversive action against activists, co-opted press for propaganda, have the most militarized police in the world, and absolutely crush any actual opposition. Its only when the white supremacists show up when they "forget" how to run their own country.
Shut down their press, arrest all online right wing activists. Shapiro, Rogan, etc. Get them on trumped up charges, Al Capone style. Crack down on protests. Use the 3 letter agencies to infiltrate and dismantle their political groups. That destroys their far right base. There is countless dirt against republicans (democrats are just as bad but this is a thing where dems take actual action), use it. Use the media they puppet for endless amounts of propaganda against republicans. monitor and censor right wing thought. You could literally just sign kill orders against them. The president has the power, legally, to do this or tell people to do this. Just say its for securing democracy or some shit.
literally any one of these things would cripple the loud but fragile right wing movement growing right now.
I didn't read all of that because I'm not going to give that much of my time to someone who says people should be murdered and doesn't have the cojones to do the murdering themselves.
Like I'd talk about hits on a public forum lol
Like you've ever killed anyone.
why would you need to kill
You tell me. You're the one who wants to murder people. Why aren't you doing it?
Theres a difference between "killing because I disagree" and "putting monsters on trial for crimes against the working class, then kill them"
Great. When are you going to put them on trial and then kill them? Go ahead. What's stopping you?
I’d say anything besides espousing how much he cares about the environment and then turning around and signing an environment-obliterating oil project. Or maybe pass any kind of real legislation that matters/codify court decisions. I’m not too picky.
Thanks for moving the goalposts. I'm sure no one will notice.
goalposts? what the hell are you talking about.
Can't people have criticisms about both biden and trump being bad, or is that not allowed anymore.
You don't have criticisms about them being bad, you want to murder their followers. So what's stopping you?
I don't want to murder everyone, what are you talking about, you're going nuts
huh
And I’d like to thank you for giving a snarky “gotcha” reply with absolutely zero substance because you have no rebuttal.
You're right. I will not rebut someone who completely changes the subject. I don't play games like that.
They never changed the subject, you just keep replying with shitty quips thinking that the vooote crowd will just nod along.
And you just keep suggesting people should be murdered when you're not doing any murdering thinking that the crowd will just nod along.
are you encouraging me to do a violence? bad look for a fake moralist.
You're the one who wants people to be murdered. Not my fault you're too cowardly to do it yourself.
Appreciate the confirmation of the above. Makes my life a lot easier when people just tell on themselves. Also, while we’re on the subject, I fail to see how you can’t connect the dots between Biden doing nothing and Biden doing nothing. Unless that’s somehow not what you’re implying and I changed the topic from Biden doing nothing to something entirely different.
Can’t wait to watch the world burn while people bicker on the internet rather than making change.
Again, I'm not going to discuss a change of subject with you. Not even if you insult me.
I don't expect anything from Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden.
But what he could do is use his unparalleled ability to communicate with the public to rally antifascist and progressive forces into direct action against the MAGA movement. Rather than just waiting until the next game of voteball, a united front could stand up and break up the fascists before they became a problem in the first place.
You. mean the thing he literally did?
No? He told us to play voteball. That's it.
Ah, you're one of those people who think voting doesn't change anything. Got it.
okay seriously prove your point. how has voting for these people changed anything
didn't trump lose the popular vote?
did we vote to bail out the banks in 08 but leave us all to die?
did we vote for the shitty covid response both candidates gave?
the presidents are all basically the same fucking thing policy wise.
I believe you're the one with the point- that point being people should be murdered. So why aren't you murdering anyone?
Okay even taking your weird ranting seriously a second, do you think I just want to go on some shooting spree or you're doing a meme
You're the one who said people should be murdered.
Well voting isn't going to actually get rid of these people. They'll still be here after the election no matter who wins.
Getting rid of them requires other action.
Oh, I see. You want to start murdering people. Go ahead and start. I'm sure the rest of us will be right behind you.
Only the ones that deserve it of course. We’re not monsters. Probably won’t need virtue signaling “liberals” (daily reminder that there are no leftists in power) or the fascist cult member dickheads that call themselves conservatives regardless though.
no you won't be, because your the type to enable the fascist losers you pretend to hate. Get lost.
So when are you going to start the murdering? What are you waiting for?
I said no such thing!
My enemies deserve the chance to be rehabilitated in work camps - so really what we need is to make the election irrelevant if you know what I mean.
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Oh, hey, how about that - didn't expect to see an r/Iowa refugee over here. Welcome to the greener pastures that are generally just as painfully, unthinkingly liberal but far less cancerous.
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That requires active engagement in one's community beyond vote-shaming and whining on social media - you're not going to see much of this from either party.
Actual community involvement is hard. let's go joe, blue no matter who, if you don't vote blue you enable fascists etc. is easy and still lets them feel good about doing something... even if it's ultimately ineffective.
I think they especially hate people who vote third party or conscientiously abstain from electoralism because they know, deep down, that none of that shit really matters.
And if voting doesn't really matter, they have to face the truth - they have done absolutely nothing at all
Do you expect the president to encourage vigilantism? That's an... interesting line of thought.
I literally said I don't expect him to do anything.
I'm just saying, there are options he won't take.
And I'm saying it's a good thing he won't take those options.
Sometimes there's no choice.
Nobody wants to encourage vigilantism, so if thats the only option you can provide then you don't have any options either.
The enemy is encouraging vigilantism and insurrection. Keep fighting with one hand tied behind your back, see what happens.
We should be punishing the people encouraging vigilantism, not encouraging more of it.
You're a fudder. There's literally no reason to take a dump on Biden right now when Trump is the alternative.
Biden FTW.
"withhold criticism from this candidate because the other is worse" is not the defense you seem to think it is.
Seems pretty clear to me, right up that dystopian center line that reality seems to follow. I'll let the pundits debate over the qualities of Biden but I think the right move for the rest of us right now is to support the group who is in support of democracy.
I think the right move for the rest of us right now is to support the group who is in support of democracy.
Oh? So "support this candidate" is somehow mutually exclusive with providing valid criticism of missteps and flaws?
That seems like a degree of intentional ignorance.
That's not what I'm saying and you know it.
Not here to argue I'm just here to present my side. If you're not interested then I'll stop engaging.
how about ya'll vote with guns and shoot the fascists
biden aint going to do shit. I dont see them taking serious action against anything.
nooo but muh harm reduction that hasn't reduced any harm
lol I love that it was during the "harm reduction candidates" term that we got fucking abortion taken
'nothing will fundamentally change' is literally just as bad as the republicans
these people seriously think they can just waltz around and do nothing and thats better somehow.