It really is like this
It really is like this
I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.
(EDIT: This was supposed to be a "blow air out my nose and get on with my life" meme...)
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china is an entire economy based on intellectual property thievery and human slavery. the ccp are evil, and dangerous to all of humanity. go try your bullshit someplace else.
I'm sorry, "entire economy" based on "human slavery"? That's absurd. Yes the CCP abuses the fuck out of the Uighurs and it's awful, but this is insane hyperbole.
The US also uses slavery, very literally, very out in the open and doesn't hide it to the point that the details are fuzzy and unclear.
It does it both very directly via prison inmates being used for labour for peanuts against their will by corporations in agreement with corpos that run their prisons and in the less direct way where the fed and state governments don't do shit about/give subsidies to farmers that hoover up disenfranchised illegals to stack em and pack em in sheds so they can work their fields for fuck all.
Both of those are such mainstream facts there's even a John Oliver episode about both topics from years ago.
Would you say the "entire economy" of the US is based on "human slavery"?
I doubt it.
Not to mention you bring that up alongside "intellectual property thievery", are those two really of even similar magnitude? Surely "human slavery" is a bit more serious than downloading a picture of mickey mouse off Google images, nah?
you really really are that unaware of the pay, living and working conditions of the average chinese factory worker. jfc.
Do enlighten me then?
From a quick Google search, the average (mean, presumably) salary for a Chinese manufacturing worker in Shenzen is CNY 47 per hour, which is only £5.21 and seems very low.
However, per Wise, the average 1-bedroom apartment in Shenzen outside the city centre is approximately CNY 2,900 or CNY 5,400 in the city centre.
At CNY 8,225 per month, which is far below average for the city (CNY ~12,000), even average rent is quite affordable.
In China, minimum wage is set by region, so Shenzen's minimum wage is 2,360 per month, which is still 81% of the average rent.
Not great pay at all obviously, especially the minimum wage, but I don't think it's any more "slavery" than anywhere else really?
I picked Shenzen because as far as I understand it, it's kind of manufacturing hub. Half the things I own are prolly made in Shenzen I noticed, and I don't shop at any Chinese shops (Temu, wish, AliExpress, etc.) nor Amazon.
I've taken the figures from here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_China
https://wise.com/gb/cost-of-living/china/shenzhen
https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/manufacturing-worker/china/shenzhen
I'm unsure about the quality of the sources and there is probably better data, plus I'd prefer median figures by age group and whether it's for full-time/part-time and to balance that with an unemployment rate (and preferably not a bullshit stat that excludes people on benefits etc). That would give us a bit more of an actual indication.
I'm happy to be educated.
protip: check out all the downvotes. lol. the ccp are rife on lemmy now. be aware, they are among us, attempting to subvert and promote their bullshit propganda. the chinese ccp can fuck off into the sun.
The CCP isn't ripe, you're just spreading western propaganda and severely misinforned.
Intellectual property is bullshit
Ah, so what is the incentive to develop complex things when anyone can just copy it?
You don't need to have "intellectual property" to create new and complex things, or how did humanity functioned before the term (only legal, by the way) was created? All art and inventions of the past are remixes or reinventions of past works, it is communal creation, (made by human for human, in case there are those who think AI does the same, which it does not).
How does open source software exist then? Lemmy? Mastodon? Linux?
Just because intellectual property can be voluntarily relinquished to great effect doesn't mean the option to retain it should be abolished.
But that is not the point the other comment was making. It said that there is no incentive to create something and innovate if anyone can just copy it, and the whole FLOSS movement is a prove that is not the case. Same thing with the argument against UBI that would remove the insentive for people to work.
You can have other justification for IP, but that was the one the commenter gave and it is empirically false.
What is the incentive to create and innovate FOSS? Altruism? I'm genuinely asking. Maybe I don't know enough about the movement.
People like to make stuff for themselves, to do things, to share, and feel useful. I believe it is the default state of people, you see that in families and close friends. You see people simply doing stuff for themselves and sharing the results. You can build a pool and invite over your friends and such. It is nice when you do something for yourself but that other people also enjoy.
So I think the primary reason is that people like to do things to benefit themselves, things that they want the result or that they enjoy doing the process, and then why not share, even better if other people enjoy the result. It is like cooking for your family or friends
I agree people can and do create without IP as a motivation, and would continue to in its absence. I believe in a perfect world where everyone's needs are met, IP may not be necessary at all. I would argue, though, that in the world we live in, the economic incentive IP creates has tangibly contributed to many valuable innovations that benefit humanity. Many people and companies rely on that incentive to be able to fund the work needed to create.
I disagree, in my opinion it is the opposite, IP and copyright laws of today do more harm than good, they stiffness innovation and creativity. The reason I think is at least two fold, one it incentivizes companies to stop innovating once they get a leadership in the market, since no one can use the innovation they can "camp out"on it and just pluck competition when they are at infancy, using their size and dominant position they can just buy any starting company that tries to innovate further. There is many examples of that, like kodak killing its own development in digital camera so to not jeopardize their camera film business. Same with electric cars, there was companies in the 70s that started doing it, they were just bought and the development interrupted, and because they have the IP on said innovations they can just not do it since no one else can either.
The second is that I argue that if a innovation is so easily replicated only by seen the end result or cursory explanation it really is like impeding people to do basic stuff, you see that a lot in software patents and video game mechanics. And last not forget that scientific advancements don´t happen in a vacuum, they build on top of previous innovations, and when just the author can build on top of its innovation it really slows it down. You can see it in how research and scientific achievements are done since the enlightenment, one research does something and share with the community and all over the worlds other researchers tries to build on top of it, otherwise everyone would be starting from scratch and would take so much more time. On the topic of researchers, must of the innovations and scientific advancements are done buy researchers that do not see any benefit of IP laws, be it in universities or companies, their IP are owned by the companies and universities, and universities are the more important ones because a lot of basic research are not immediately profitable, it is a slow climb of steps, each new paper, each new small improvements until it gets to a point that it can be applied.
And lastly I just wanna point out that Linux (and other FLOSS OSs) have being the leader in innovation on the operation system topic, and in fact Linux is the one pushing Microsoft to do more than just stagnating.
Are you serious? Maybe so people can live better and create things that are even better and more helpful? Or is "for the betterment of humanity" not a good enough reason to do things for you? I know not everyone has the time/money/ability to be focusing all their time on helping people but this is such a depressing question.
For more than just monitary gain?
Maybe the value of things shouldn't be measured witha dollar sign if we want to evolve past a warhungry feudal society
You're literally describing how US companies turn a profit.
It's just a meme, fella. Chill out.
I mean, the message of your meme is calling out people who have these biases. I am not surprised those people jumped to defend them.
FINALLY, SOMEONE GETS IT. THANK YOU 😭