'Trans People's Issues Alienate the Working Class,' Says Democrat Who's Never Met Either
'Trans People's Issues Alienate the Working Class,' Says Democrat Who's Never Met Either
In an incredible display of just kind of saying stuff, 52-year-old liberal Isaac Shawn has announced that focusing on “trans issues” alienates the working class from the Democratic party, though he does not personally know a trans person, a working-class person, or anyone at the intersection of thes
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I mean I understand the point. The left does a great job of creating noise about issues that affect low numbers of people that end up galvanizing more opposition than it generates in votes. If the thing you advocate for ends up getting more votes against it rather than for it due to your advocacy, you just hurt your own cause.
Long term strategy is key.
Trans rights are human rights.
Advocating for human rights shouldn't require a mathematical calculation of how many humans are affected.
It shouldn't, but it does. We do not live in a perfect world.
When doctors at the emergency room have to make decisions about who to treat first, they follow guidelines like this one. Those help save lives, by making sure that those patients who need the most urgent care get it first.
In the same way, elevating LGBT issues above more pressing needs of the general population doesn't help anyone, not even LGBT people.
How does gender-affirming care help someone who is homeless and jobless with no healthcare? Is proper pronoun awareness really more important than environmental protection, or combating political corruption?
Just to be clear, I 100% agree that trans rights are human rights. It is an important issue, and deserves attention. But what about black lives matter? Isn't that important anymore? Are we still on that bandwagon, or did it get old? (I realize I'm getting snarky here, my apologies)
Addressing the unnecessary suffering of minority groups of all kinds is important. But putting them above issues that are critical to the survival of our society as a whole hurts everyone, even the people that these policies are designed to help.
You are making the mistake of assuming only one thing can be done at a time, and if everyone is not focused on "the most important thing" at all times then it is inefficient. This is not only untrue, it causes nothing to progress because nobody can agree on what the "most important thing" is.
Things can be worked on in parallel. While a group works on how to best address homelessness, another group can address LGBT issues while yet another group tackles environmental protection.
You can't just throw everyone on a single problem or it becomes less efficient. Sure, 2 people can sweep the floor faster than 1 person, but if you try to get 100 people sweeping the floor in order to "prioritize it and get it done faster" it's going to be a nightmare and never get finished.Having one person sweep the floors, another clean the windows, another do the dishes, another do the laundry, another make dinner, another wash the dog, another mow the lawn, another tidy the living room, etc. Is going to have the house clean and in shape a lot faster than if you have all those people make dinner (because dinner is the most important) and then have everyone mow the lawn, only after the lawn is finished have everyone do the laundry....
And all of this ignores the fact that I am not in government. I cannot meaningfully address the homelessness issue. I can stand up for the rights of trans people.
Maybe I could form a group to try to find the most effective methods of addressing homelessness and send our findings to the government. Okay, once we've done that now what? Government takes time, homelessness still exists, I guess we double check our research? Yup, research still looks good, our findings still stand. Guess we'll send that to the government as well. But there's still homelessness and homelessness is more important that human rights. (Sorry, trans rights. Trans rights are less important because there are less of them and neither you nor I are trans.) So seeing as homelessness still exists and is more important I guess we triple check the research? I'm pretty sure it's right, but homelessness isn't over so we can't spend any amount of effort on something else because that would be inefficient.Well that's the internet for ya: I agree with you, of course we can work on more than one thing at a time, and right, we don't work in government, so we should personally take responsibility for what we can do ourselves.
Feels to me like we are really on the same page, we're juat arguing over details.
Building a large working class movement is difficult when you have a bunch of socially conservative landmines that can divide people. The War on Queerness has always and forever been a war on the working class - often the youngest and most vulnerable, at that. The socio-economic benefits of this hostility only ever accrues to the entrenched establishment.
Fear of alienating the mainstream by withholding support for minority groups only empowers authoritarians who profit from a divided public.
Jews are a very small part of the population. If Republicans were passing laws specifically to persecute Jews, would you be making the same excuses for ignoring it? None of us are free until all of us are.
My understanding of the history of the fediverse, such as it is, is that it was initially used by marginalized groups. Specifically LGBTQ people who felt (and in fact were) persecuted on other platforms.
Trans rights are a core issue to many people here. This is likely why your take is being met with outright rejection by so many.
I understand. But all the down votes and hurt feelings in the world don't change the validity of my point. It is entirely possible to hurt a cause by generating more opposition than support.
Are we here to virtue signal or win?
I think a lot of people on Lemmy ARE here to virtue signal. At least with humor like what was posted.
I think that your comment and another that amplified what you said did an excellent job of getting your point across. My point was that you're not likely to move the opinion of people who identify as trans, or whose identity is bound to trans rights. If you were trying to get others who aren't in that camp to think about this more deeply, you probably succeeded. I suspect that for every person who comments there are at least 10 who read your message but prefer to remain silent.
Yeah, I agree. The value of comments is the discourse, not the Internet points!
No. The people affected by hateful policy are "creating noise." The Democrats are just the only ones willing to listen and try to help.
Takes 2 to tango.