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Again, babies don't come out with clothes on. The idea of expecting consent for sending grandparents pictures of what their newborn grandchild looked like when it was just a few seconds old is ridiculous.
And yes, psychology is a soft science. That doesn't mean that you personally can claim that people have been traumatized by this without showing any evidence of it just like you can't claim that people have been traumatized by a Luke Skywalker action figure without showing any evidence of it. You can infer whatever you like. Inferences aren't truth and they are based on personal biases.
Suggesting that because psychology is a soft science, you can make whatever claim about trauma you infer is ridiculous. Where did you get your psychology degree from, anyway?
We're talking about pictures of your kids genitals. What a weird fucking hill to die on. Its your kid, take all the pics you want, probably don't get caught with them on your phone.
It's ok to just say "you know what you might have a point" and walk away sometimes my dude.
And yet I don't think you do have a point without evidence, so I'm not sure why I'd say that.
Again, where did you get your psychology degree from?
Its your kid, take all the pics you want, probably don’t get caught with them on your phone.
I'm sorry... do you think it's illegal to have a photo of a naked baby on your phone?
And yet I don't think you do have a point without evidence,
My point is childhood trauma takes a lot of forms and "good natured" showing naked pictures of your children to potential romantic partners the first time they visit (the thing we were talking about) is undoubtedly traumatic for a portion that experience it. I'm not aware of any specific studies studying the impact of showing nude photos of your children to their potential romantic suitors but I do know that childhood trauma has been studied and has far-reaching, unknown impacts. Even if the victim often doesn't recognize the instance as abuse until much later in life, if ever.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2018/09/childhood-toxic-shame
https://mind.help/news/childhood-humiliation-can-leave-lifelong-scars-warn-mental-health-experts/
Again, where do you get your psychology degree from?
I was about halfway through a sociology degree (admittedly as a pretty subpar state university) before I transferred to CS. What'd you study?
I’m sorry… do you think it’s illegal to have a photo of a naked baby on your phone?
They're not something I'd want on my phone obviously.
Sorry... you're saying a baby feels trauma and shame when it has its picture taken and that leads to psychological problems as an adult and creates more trauma when you show that photo to their partner?
Also, virtually every new parent has photos of their baby naked on their phone. And it's legal. I have no idea why you don't think it would be. A nude picture of your own baby is not child porn. No one has ever been put on a sex offender list for having a picture of their child just after it exited the womb on their phone. What a silly thing to say.
you’re saying a baby feels trauma and shame when it has its picture taken and that leads to psychological problems as an adult and creates more trauma when you show that photo to their partner?
You're being willfully obtuse. The trauma and shame comes from the picture being displayed for the parents amusement to potential romantic partners the first time they come over, presumably in their early teens.
virtually every new parent has photos of their baby naked on their phone.
Most I've seen are completely swaddled and only their little faces are visible.
And it’s legal.
Where did you get your law degree?
I have no idea why you don’t think it would be. A nude picture of your own baby is not child porn.
I mean, I personally agree with that.
No one has ever been put on a sex offender list for having a picture of their child just after it exited the womb on their phone.
Crazier shit has happened and we're not talking about gross little bloody newborns fresh out of the box. In every baby pic I've ever seen (and in the context of this comic); they're bath pics, specifically ones with their junk in it! It's weird, just place some bubbles or a wash cloth strategically or something it's not that difficult fuck.
I don't need a law degree. Unlike you, I have evidence:
Evidence?
Was the focal point of the photo on the child’s genitalia or pubic area?
"It seemed to be."
"Was the child who is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, given the age of the child?"
"They were naked."
"Was the child nude or fully or partially clothed?"
"Completely nude your honor."
That's how quickly that can be used against you and I for one don't have that kind of faith in our legal system.
Look, it's your kid you do whatever you want, we could argue back and forth all day, I'm sure you're a decent parent and handle things as appropriately as possible but for anyone else reading this maybe give some consideration to pictures you take of your vulnerable kids and what purpose those pictures serve, some strategic bubbles or a cloth make the picture 100% innocent and it becomes a non-issue.
Much like the trauma claim, can you provide evidence that has ever happened to any parent?
You seem to think you can make any claim you like without evidence and then get indignant about it when you aren't automatically believed.
can you provide evidence that has ever happened to any parent?
How could I even find that evidence? I don't have access to court records re custody battles and divorces or therapy notes from every doctor out there. I showed you links indicating that even unintended childhood trauma lingers into adulthood but you dispute showing embarrassing images could possibly be humiliating or that any parent could possible make a bad decision regarding them.
seem to think you can make any claim you like without evidence
I never claimed it happened, I claimed it could be bad which is self evident to me but apparently not everyone. My hypothetical illustrated how easily innocent actions could be misconstrued, nothing more.
get indignant about it when you aren’t automatically believed.
My only point here is that maybe taking pictures of your naked children and parading them around when their first boy/girlfriends start coming over (the thing you said it was for) maybe isn't the best idea and could be saved for a time later, when they're ready to show people. If anyone is indignant it's someone who feels their parenting skills are being questioned.
and parading them around when their first boy/girlfriends start coming over (the thing you said it was for)
I absolutely did not say that is what it is for. I have said over and over again that I am talking about an adult child with a significant other.
If you're going to berate me, at least don't lie about what I said.
Let's just hope you don't rely on Google Drive
It would be legal on Google Drive too. I challenge you to find me one example of a parent getting in legal trouble for having a photo of their baby naked on either their phone or on Google Drive.
Legal trouble is not the only kind of trouble.
I just didn't link a news article because I thought it was widespread enough.
Try "guy loses google account false positive" on Google SearchGoogle fucking up its detection algorithm is kind of a different issue though, isn't it?
It will still cause you problems if you are reliant on it though.
I am also trying to slowly get enough alternatives that random Google decisions don't cause me misery, but...