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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 29th December 2024
  • so openai is claimed to be doing great on the FrontierMath dataset. I've already seen the usual sort of dipshits using this to pump ai on reddit, and here's a post that went to the frontpage on HN:

    https://xenaproject.wordpress.com/2024/12/22/can-ai-do-maths-yet-thoughts-from-a-mathematician/

    (tl;dr only a few problems from the dataset are public but if representative the problems are about 25% survivable by an undergrad; coincidentally this is the % openai says their models are completing.)

    this post is by kevin buzzard. he has a let's say not easily beloved personality, but I don't think of him as credulous or grifty, and people in his area regard him as an excellent mathematician.

    he points out but I think does not focus enough on how discrediting the secretive nature of the dataset is. the fact that you can't make it public is necessary to run such experiments in a scientifically reasonable way, but also makes it totally impossible to run the experiment in a scientifically reasonable way. an experiment which cannot be examined or reproduced is actually the opposite of science. it's pure grift fuel

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • do you have any thoughts on why these wealthy and powerful public figures have all chosen this extraordinarily unusual aesthetic

  • my friend made a find at the bookstore

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    Australia’s under-16 social media ban to use hand-waving to verify ages with AI
  • anyone know of an applicable rpg spell here. I want to know how much this would cost

  • Anthropic and Apollo astounded to find that a chatbot will lie to you if you tell it to lie to you
  • a libertarian, a pedophile and an early crypto enthusiast walk into a bar

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • most people who are considered skilled programmers seem to know very little math (by my arbitrary standards), so I wouldn't worry about it. if you get that the remainder of 8 divided by 5 is 3 then you're 99% of the way there

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • if you think about it the human mind is really just a kind of naturally arising artificial intelligence #Deep

  • UK government wants to give AI companies free access to train on your creative works
  • if you think about it the human mind is really just a kind of naturally arising artificial intelligence

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • (also, I might take on a roguelike project in Godot myself… there’s a new library I want to try which implements my favorite way to do game logic for roguelikes)

    this looks really cool 👀

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • that was a joke about abstract mathematics. anyway I'm not much of a programmer but I have found I've learned a lot from working on godot stuff, so I second that recommendation

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23rd December 2024
  • well, first you'll need a solid grounding in the theory of categories

  • Rationalism meets iNaturalist: ficus all
  • I really don't get it. they see something they don't understand and immediately start writhing on their keyboards in rage. "what the FUCK is THIS"

  • Mangione "really wanted to meet my other founding members and start a community based on ideas like rationalism, Stoicism, and effective altruism"
  • it's definitely linked to rationalism (and various far right bullshits), which right away means people who get into it are likely to be at least cult adjacent. not the most stable spot to be in, psychologically

    tangent, as a callow youth I listened to rationally speaking, which used to be a cohosted show with julia galef and massimo pigluicci. mostly after leaving the show (I think?), pigluicci ended up getting really into stoicism and would post shit about how unhappiness is purely one's own choice etc. when I asked him if jewish people in WWII concentration camps were just choosing to be unhappy he was like yes. so, yeah, that's stoicism for you

  • Are we going to see prediction markets enter mainstream journalism? Taylor Lorenz says yes
  • there has to be difficulty determining what the most ethical choice is to have an "ethical dilemma." when the options are "do something unethical or don't" that's the opposite of an ethical dilemma!

  • Are we going to see prediction markets enter mainstream journalism? Taylor Lorenz says yes
  • Journalists will also face ethical dilemmas as prediction markets are normalized. Should reporters participate in markets they cover?

    sorry, what exactly is the dilemma here? how is it an ethical dilemma to have an unethical way to make money?

    The rise of prediction markets raises questions about ethics and regulation. Current platforms are primed for market manipulation, insider trading, and the potential for bad actors to game the system. Platforms will need to enforce rigorous safeguards to maintain credibility and prevent misinformation from being incentivized.

    lmaooooooo

  • the dead end grift that is lab grown meat
  • fwiw the post this is replying to originally didn't have the phrase "instead of very obviously reacting to the headline," I edited that in later. without the edit I think it does come across like I thought zweibel was contradicting some specific point in the article. not true, b/c they didn't address the article at all

  • the dead end grift that is lab grown meat
  • at least make a pretense of having read the article instead of very obviously reacting to the headline jfc

  • the dead end grift that is lab grown meat

    thecounter.org Lab-grown meat is supposed to be inevitable. The science tells a different story.

    Headlines have overshadowed inconvenient truths about biology and cost. Now, new research suggests the industry may be on a crash course with reality.

    Lab-grown meat is supposed to be inevitable. The science tells a different story.

    lab grown meat is a vaguely EA/rationalist/self IDed neolib meme. in theory it will save the environment (ok) and prevent suffering (yay) in a way that concentrates capital (double yay) and involves a lot of tech magic (triple yay).

    hot luigi is a big fan apparently. seeing this discussed reminded me of this excellent article which shreds the concept of mass produced lab grown meat. I haven't really seen this circulate much over the years, but it is really a masterwork of grift dissection. please enjoy

    archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20241208141305/https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/

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    www.404media.co Moderators Across Social Media Struggle to Contain Celebrations of UnitedHealthcare CEO’s Assassination

    While Reddit mods and admin try to keep up with the site's "no violence" terms of use, Facebook and LinkedIn is reacting with tens of thousands of laughing emojis.

    Moderators Across Social Media Struggle to Contain Celebrations of UnitedHealthcare CEO’s Assassination

    archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20241206205437/https://www.404media.co/brian-thompson-social-media-reactions-reddit-facebook-twitter/

    bonus warm fuzzies: https://www.404media.co/multiple-major-health-insurance-companies-take-down-leadership-pages-following-murder-of-united-healthcare-ceo/

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    reason.com A week of failing to pay with bitcoin in El Salvador

    When President Nayib Bukele promised that bitcoin would be accepted everywhere in El Salvador, it seemed like a glimpse into the future—a world where

    A week of failing to pay with bitcoin in El Salvador
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    a stunning self own

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    the enshittification of magic: the gathering

    i haven't played magic the gathering in ages but i still follow it for some reason. if you're not checked in with the game, here's what's been going on in recent years: it's been enshittifying. i'm fascinated by when gacha games (which this essentially is) start putting the screws to players. here are some of the ways it's gone down

    • the game used to have rigorous processes for managing balance, processes which sometimes failed spectacularly, but held up most of the time. empirically, that's pretty much gone. almost all of the cards that have ever been banned in the standard format have come from the last several years, and they printed a mechanic so broken that they errata'd it to cost more. to be clear, this is a game that is played with physical cards that the text can't be changed on. the situation was so dire that they just said "ok everyone should know, ignore the text on the cards, they are too broken the way we made them."
    • they thought a bit about how the majority of their playerbase wasn't playing the somewhat competitive 1 vs 1 style the game was originally designed for. instead, most people play several person free for all formats, in particular these days a format called commander. so they've been absolutely shredding these people's wallets and ruining their games by designing rare cards specifically to end up being powerful in commander. recently they printed a commander card so busted in various formats that the former friend of mine who designed it ended up falling on his sword, writing an extremely apologetic essay about how he personally fucked up by letting it slip through.
    • there's a whole much larger drama around the commander format that i haven't got the energy to go into here. the most tolerable summary is that they printed a card so ridiculous that the format dissolved and was remade under a wave of death threats when it was banned. i know that doesn't make sense, just trust me, or write your own summary of it.
    • they found out that the more cards they come out with, the more cards they sell, so they've just been cranking out designs at greater and greater volume. at any given time there is a massive chunk of cards that are about to hit the shelves, and which they're 'teasing' and fomoing players about. the game is about 30 years old and they've been hitting a pace of printing something like 10% to 15% of all cards ever, every year.
    • every once in a while they release joke sets, with weird or silly mechanics like having to yell things or tearing up cards. generally, these cards are not allowed in semi competitive play. well, they thought the most recent one would sell better if that wasn't the case, so they marked as many of these cards as they could as being tournament legal (but to keep the outcry tamped down, not in their standard format). one of these cards in particular, a goblin that makes you put stickers on things, was so miserable to have in tournament play that they ended up backtracking and banning all the joke cards.
    • they found out they could make a big chunk of money by ditching their own setting and making cards for licensed IPs. they've been printing ever increasing numbers of cards themed around everything from the walking dead to fortnite to marvel to street fighter to spongebob, which sell like hotcakes. people who are invested in the style and theme of magic the gathering aren't super pleased. again, to placate the haters, these cards are not allowed in the standard competitive format, giving people who want to do wizard shit a refuge.

    the last bullet point brings us to today: just kidding, frog boiled, you will now have captain america and kefka fighting each other at your table whether you like it or not. reactions are not entirely positive:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1gc3w97/universes_beyond_will_enter_through_standard/

    something that's quite interesting to me is how few people i've seen bootlick for wizards of the coast in recent years. i've looked at reactions to other games enshittifying and always saw lots of defenders of the company in charge, with four lines of attack being most common:

    • they have to put bread on the table
    • whew i know this seems bad but i would be ok with it if they just gave us 2% more crumbs. it's sooooo close to the right level of abuse
    • stop being poor
    • bro, just vote with your dollar bro

    i've been seeing very little of that in regards to mtg. some people have denied the pot was getting warmer, but mostly, people have just turned into haters. not sure why; perhaps it has to do with the small scale social aspect of magic. if you're playing marvel snap and having the blood drained out of your neck, you don't really have a group of specific people you're experiencing that in concert with; with mtg you do. it could be the strength of small scale personal ties that both keeps people invested in this game, and makes people angry at how that investment is being treated

    unfortunately i don't see any reason that this anger is likely to put a stop to things. after all, arch-enshittifier facebook is still making ultrabucks, despite having destroyed its reputation on every possible level and despite constantly enraging its users. you can do horrible things to people and just coast! it works!

    EDIT: this is election relevant btw https://awful.systems/comment/5086076

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    "I consider myself a dark elf"

    \- curtis yarvin

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    Microsoft to reopen 3 mile island to power AI

    the symbolism is 😗👌

    archive link: https://archive.ph/jFO6f

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    www.nytimes.com Google Violated Antitrust Laws in Online Search, Judge Rules

    The landmark ruling by Judge Amit P. Mehta was the first antitrust decision of the modern internet era in a case against a technology giant.

    Google Violated Antitrust Laws in Online Search, Judge Rules

    archive link

    https://archive.ph/n3Ffq

    > Judge Mehta’s Google decision is likely to be appealed. “Regardless of who wins or loses, this case probably has a date with the Supreme Court,” Mr. Kovacic said.

    ah well

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    taking a peek at a subreddit for lovers of ai art

    !"subreddit rules. Speak pro-ai thoughts freely."

    DefendingAIArt is a subreddit run by mod "Trippy-Worlds," who also runs the debate sister subreddit AIWars. Some poking around made clear that AIWars is perfectly fine with having overt Nazis around, for example a guy with heil hitler in his name who accuses others of lying because they are "spiritually jewish." So we're off to a great start.

    the first thing that drew my eye was this post from a would be employer:

    !My hobby is making games. Every artist have spoken to regarding my current project has rejected currency in exchange for referencing Al-made images.

    not really clear what the title means, but this person seems to have had a string of encounters with the most based artists of all time.

    !Has anyone experienced this? They see Al work and lose their mind, some even have the nads to expect to get a pay multiplier to 'compensate" for the "theft" like my surname is fucking Altman. Like, bro, I can barely afford your highly- accomplished and talented ass and would be doing it for myself if had your skillset, yet you reject my money with prejudice because pushed my shitty programmer art a bit further with a piece of software which can't even use to a fraction of its full potential? That's a greeeeeeeeaaa way to convince me to keep your artstation username out of my prompts to public models, even if believe that particular spirit of behavior should be illegal

    also claims to have been called "racial and gender slurs" for using ai art and that he was "kicked out of 20 groups" and some other things. idk what to tell this guy, it legitimately does suck that wealthy people have the money to pay for lots of art and the rest of us don't

    !Could we Ban the "No Al" Symbol? Someone proposed an idea to me: why not gather evidence and present it to the authorities who prohibited the display of the Swastika and other hate symbols? I was impressed by this suggestion. After researching, I found out that there are organizations that can categorize it as illegal if we can show evidence of the harm it has caused. I believe we can unite people, including artists who have suffered due to false accusations by anti-Al rioters, to support this cause. If we all sign a petition, we can ban the symbol, which would prevent its misuse on platforms like DeviantArt and stop the spread of misinformation. Would you support this initiative? Would you sign to end ignorance and compel them to advocate for fair regulations for Al, ensuring that nobody has to encounter this symbol and that those who use it for malicious purposes find no refuge? Or is it just not possible? Let's discuss.

    I really enjoyed browsing around this subreddit, and a big part of that was seeing how much the stigma around AI gets to people who want to use it. pouring contempt on this stuff is good for the world

    !

    the above guy would like to know what combination of buttons to press to counter the "that just sounds like stealing from artists" attack. a commenter leaps in to help and immediately impales himself:

    !'just block and move on' 'these are my real life friends' 'oh...'

    you hate to see it. another commenter points out that well ... maybe these people just aren't your friends

    !'antis will always just stab you in the back'

    to close out, an example of fearmongering:

    !So I made a post on a sub with a rule against Al art and the Auto-mod does this...I'm assuming its fearmongering right? automod: Your comments and posts are being sold by Reddit to Google to train Al. You cannot opt out.

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    Techno-utopianism and the path into darkness

    This is an essay about 'village' vs 'control' techno-optimism I wrote for a class final in 2016. I was in undergrad etc etc but for 2016 I feel it had a lot of foresight, and there's still some bits here and there I haven't seen anyone else explicate. Thought some of you might be interested

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    rationalists discuss: does testosterone make you stupid?

    www.lesswrong.com Is being a trans woman (or just low-T) +20 IQ? — LessWrong

    Warning: This post might be depressing to read for everyone except trans women. Gender identity and suicide is discussed. This is all highly speculat…

    Is being a trans woman (or just low-T) +20 IQ? — LessWrong

    saw this posted by @sailor_sega_saturn at https://awful.systems/comment/3871697

    op has a simple question:

    > Why are trans women so intellectually successful? They seem to be overrepresented 5-100x in eg cybersecurity twitter, mathy AI alignment, non-scam crypto twitter, math PhD programs, etc.

    and a skull shaped answer:

    > My theory is that too much testosterone makes you dumber, particularly during adolescence. You need a little for your cells & organs to work, but past a certain point it does more harm than good (for intelligence specifically — motivation & happiness etc aside). Apparently this is not a new theory and people have posited a U-shaped curve for how testosterone affects IQ. The key (sad) claim is that the vast majority of men are on the too-much-T side of the curve. Maybe trans women get the best of both worlds intellectually — a male skull with female chemistry.

    our researcher sets about fending off possible objections:

    > Why didn't evolution give females big heads if it would make them all geniuses? Another anecdote. My sister has a big head. She was valedictorian in high school I think. She hit her head one day in middle school during gym class by running into a wall. She also fell off a bike and hit her head in high school. I have never hit my head and I think the main reason is that my arms are strong enough to catch myself. So maybe the big headed women would-be-ancestors fell and hit their heads.

    cites chatgpt for this:

    > Do trans men get the worst of both worlds intellectually — female skulls and male chemistry? Yes.

    demonstrates the exceptional explanatory power of his hypothesis:

    > Why are really good tech founders so rare? You have to have very high power-seeking/initiative (T) and very high IQ. This is an incredibly rare combination because the testosterone murders your IQ. You have to be a genius before puberty hits. Helps if your brain/head is giant. Look at eg Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos.

    describes the potential impact of his research:

    > I suspect that some simple electrical stimulation in the womb could make infant females' skulls bigger and result in lots of genius women. If they don't fall off their bikes and hit their heads.

    all time great footnotes:

    > Thought of some more potential evidence. The smartest cis women I've known almost all had lack of butt (women's most visible muscle -- so low testosterone?)

    > Later that day: i asked my sister. She said all her smart friends (men and women) lack butts too! She and I both have the butt, so we are speaking against our own kind here.

    a commenter has an epistemically rigorous counterpoint:

    > I don't understand why you need to invoke testosterone. Transgender brain is special, for example, transgender women have immunity to visual illusions.

    another commenter objects to that, based on a deep dive into the literature:

    > Can you source this claim? I've never heard it and GPT-4 says it has no scientific basis.

    "well admittedly I made it up, but it seems plausible"

    > Whoops, it's really looks like I imagined this claim to be backed more than by one SSC post. In my defense I say that this poll covered really existing thing like abnormal illusions processing in schizophrenics (see "Systematic review of visual illusions schizophrenia" Costa et al., 2023) and I think it's overall plausible.

    archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20240706165407/https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BBCtWtg44Yeh6fire/is-being-a-trans-woman-or-just-low-t-20-iq

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    wow. sensible

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    arstechnica.com New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC

    Recall uses AI features "to take images of your active screen every few seconds."

    New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC

    somehow I managed to miss this until now

    archive link

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    we're not Nazis btw

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    www.404media.co Here Is What Axon’s Bodycam Report Writing AI Looks Like

    Axon has been inviting police departments to webinars about the new AI-based product, which will automatically generate police reports based on bodycam audio, according to emails obtained by 404 Media.

    Here Is What Axon’s Bodycam Report Writing AI Looks Like

    https://web.archive.org/web/20240517214034/https://www.404media.co/here-is-what-axons-bodycam-report-writing-ai-looks-like-draft-one/

    tl;dr ai will write up officer reports used to help convict people, based on bodycam audio. of course we can expect it to display the usual features of fictionalizing, bias and diffusion of accountability

    special highlight: end of the article includes a comment from the EFF, imploring municipalities not to purchase this tech. company responds with a statement pitching the product to prosecutors. make your own inference about who has control over this decision

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    the most crypto thing I've ever seen that doesn't actually involve crypto

    I've been reading through the top all time /r/hobbydrama posts and I keep coming back to this one. In a way, it's the best summary of the promises crypto makes I've seen. People buying fiefdoms in a game that doesn't exist because they so desperately want the experience of being kings, because they so desperately want to be the boot that grinds... it's beautiful to see this presented without the nonsense about supposed democratization or freedom.

    the time capsule aspect is fascinating too. the layperson's innocence is now tainted by NFTs. you will never again see people struggle with the concept of this grift as purely as these posters did in 2017.

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    worst tech/crypto songs of all time?

    inspired by

    https://awful.systems/comment/2382662

    from the link, we obtain HODL gang and versace bedouin (which might be the worst song I've ever heard period).

    I would also like to add predatory capitalist feminism anthem WAGMI.

    on an ideological level I would nominate the technofascist propaganda piece we appreciate power. banger tho

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    I'm imagining you right now

    I'm doing it so skillfully. I'm totally basilisking you. isn't that scary

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    Law firm hired by Cruise says Cruise didn't mislead regulators, they just had trouble using the internet. Verge proceeds to repeat the claim uncritically

    Actual framing:

    > Cruise wasn’t hiding the pedestrian-dragging video from regulators — it just had bad internet / An independent review of an incident in which a driverless Cruise vehicle dragged a pedestrian over 20 feet concludes the company has connectivity issues.

    My expectations for journalists are low but goddamn

    archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20240126195607/https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050791/cruise-pedestrian-dragging-video-driverless-report

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