Reddit r/rust is discussing the possibility of moving to Lemmy. If you are still an active Reddit user, please consider giving it some upvotes to show your support.
Reddit r/rust is discussing the possibility of moving to Lemmy. If you are still an active Reddit user, please consider giving it some upvotes to show your support.
If you haven't heard the news, Reddit is making some drastic, user-hostile changes. This is essentially the final stage of any ad-supported and VC-funded platform's inevitable march towards enshittification.
I really love the /r/rust community. As a community manager it's my main portal into the latest happenings of the Rust ecosystem from a high-level point of view primarily focused on project updates rather than technical discourse. This is the only Reddit community I engage directly with; my daily fix of the Reddit frontpage happens strictly via login-less browsing on Apollo, which will soon come to an abrupt end.
This moment in time presents a unique opportunity for this space to claim its independence as a wholly community-owned operation. If the moderators and other stakeholders of /r/rust are already discussing possible next moves somewhere, please point other willing contributors like myself in the right direction.
I'm ready to tag along with any post-Reddit initiative set forth by the community leaders of this sub-reddit. Meanwhile, I've started mobilizing willing stakeholders from the fediverse, which I believe to be the path forward for a viable Reddit alternative.
Soft-forking Lemmy
Lemmy as an organisation has issues. But the Lemmy software is a fully functional alternative to Reddit that runs on top of the open ActivityPub protocol, and it's written in Rust.
Discourse, the software which the Rust Users/Internals forum runs on also supports basic ActivityPub federation now, so the Rust Users forum could actually federate with one or more Lemmy-powered instances. As such, this wouldn’t just be a replacement to Reddit, it would be a significant improvement, bringing more cohesion to the Rust community
Given Lemmy's controversial culture, I think it's safest to approach it with a soft-fork mindset. But the degree to which any divergence will actually happen in the code comes down to how amenable the Lemmy team is to upstream changes. I'd love for this to be an exercise in building bridges rather than moats. I know the Lemmy devs occasionally peruse this space, so please feel free to reach out to me.
Here's what's happening:
- The author of Kitsune is attempting to run Lemmy on Shuttle, which in turn have expressed interest in supporting this alt-Reddit initiative.
- We're also looking into OIDC/OAuth for Lemmy, which would allow people to log in with their Reddit/GitHub accounts. If anyone would like to take this on, let us know!
- Hachyderm is starting to evaluate Lemmy hosting next week. I personally think they could provide an excellent default home for a renewed /r/rust, as they are already a heavily Rust-leaning community of practitioners.
To facilitate this mobilization, I've set up a temporary Discord server:
I'll gladly replace this with e.g. a dedicated channel on the Rust community discord. One big upside of having our own server is that we can bridge it to a self-hosted instance of Revolt, which we'll do in the next few days.
Lemme know if this resonates with you!
This is essentially the final stage of any ad-supported and VC-funded platform’s inevitable march towards enshittification.
Nope, I think the enshittification started well before since the mid 2010s, with the new design and the slew of increasingly user-hostile changes that started rolling ever since. But now with the public trading attempt and VC capital drying up everywhere it seems that all the big tech corps are slamming the gas on the enshittification machine.
Either way as a budding Rustacean I'm all for migrating to Lemmy. It means future proofing the community thanks to fediverse capabilities.
Wow, didn't know the people making Lemmy were that bad and deny genocides. But I also don't have time to read and understand all the old posts, and I have no idea who the people are who are talking abotu this, so it is incredibly hard to say if it is trustworthy or not. Would be interesting to get a statement from the lemmy developers today about this, to see what they think about the uighur thing and north korea today.
I feel like it's completely overblown and it's just silly. Why can't we let these people have opinions different from our own?
It's like we are looking for something to fight about, instead of using the tech because it's actually really valuable.
Divide and conquer... Every single time.
You've pretty much described social media in general right now. "If you don't agree with me then you are the enemy and I will silence you!" There are no "difference of opinions" because it's easier for people to think in terms of black and white. Now there are limits. Don't promote hate and violence. Your words have power.
Where's the actual questionable content? All I could find was a Mastodon thread claiming the devs have shitty opinions without any links to any actual people raising these opinions. The best I can do is guess they are referring to lemmygrad, which indeed looks like a brain dead shit hole of insanity, but how does that relate to the developers again? A bit more clear-cut presentation would be greatly beneficial, as this level of discussion is FUD as best.
Ditto, I see people everywhere but not actual evidence from the developers. Best I could find was some questionable essays in the main dev's Github, but so what? If I buy clothes through Shein now I am some child labor apologist? If we keep rejecting people with good ideas for having shitty opinions we will die waiting.
I'm not about to defend their opinions but to me, I don't see how they matter. It sucks that I wouldn't find the devs to be ethical in that case, but I care far more about this federated platform. As long as they keep it to their own instance and keep developing an open platform for others, I don't know that it's relevant.
The enemies of lemmy are trying to slander the devs with ridiculous claims. They will always claim genocide because they want to associate everything with nazis and the holocaust. It's an old tactic.
https://lemmyrs.org/c/rustlang seems to me a more reasonable instance and home for r/rust than lemmy.ml/c/rust
I can't help reading it as "crust".
@v_krishna @Veritas
In the future surely but lemmyrs is very new, so do not unsubscribe from c/rust jet :DPersonally think it would be more reasonable to have rust at this instance. https://programming.dev/c/rust
I hope the devs might make a pin at a directory of communities they can join like a unified directory of all instances and in those instances, the communities they have. I think that way rather than seeing the most popular instances, users would join those communities from their instance however the popularity of such an instance and community can sometimes act identifier for making decisions which instance they would join in also which community. So idk like maybe having a directory by interest might help others to encourage to join those communities from their home instance rather than registering as new user at every instance.
That has the disadvantage that it's moderation policies may not be in line with the rust code of conduct. But having independent communities next to the official one would be great anyways, to facilitate independent discussion.
agreed, should move to programming.dev
yeah fuck lemmy.ml, it's creator is also the owner of lemmygrad
no and no
I’m thinking of copying my Threads subreddit already have one in Squabbles but Dosent have the same customization that Reddit has https://www.reddit.com/r/Threads1984/ Tried creating one for Lemmy but then it said https://www.reddit.com/r/LemmyMigration/comments/1462pe7/what_is_the_requested_format/ But I’m going to try creating the Threads Lemmy on the desktop
Update it worked.
r/rust is private
A lot of comments in this post have reminded me of how many people wanted to ban RSM from the FSF he himself founded, and most of those people don't even know him, neither understand the values he believes in and defend.
At any rate, the current banning culture is pretty nocive, and so is the mono culture we live in, and are not even aware most of the time. Thankfully there are already multiple lemmy instances for people to join, and there will be more. And one can always contribute upstream (it's up to the devs to accept MRs/PRs), and do testing on one's instance. However AFAIK, [email protected] as well as many other technical communities, don't really include that much political conversations, and the few that show up on those tech communities, can be ignored, or one can get involved, that's up to oneself, but the point is not to just go ahead and judge a good way to share, and in particular [email protected] has been very good this far.
This same thread, which wasn't deleted or banned, actually is one of the few political ones. I just hope it doesn't end on having to search on so many rust communities that it defeats the purpose of link aggregation...