EU chief says member countries must use a new defense loan to buy European, not American
EU chief says member countries must use a new defense loan to buy European, not American
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says EU countries must purchase military equipment made in Europe under a new loan plan meant to help the continent provide for its own security.
Yup, gotta make sure the money stays here.
MIL with European characteristics
The reärmament drive is scary, we need to see more popular pushback against this.
If all you have to offer is "weapons are bad,war is bad", you need to think about the consequences of not re-arming. The world has relied on America to be the one that is heavily armed so that we can all sit here in Europe and pretend that we don't need weapons and war is bad. We got to feel morally superior and peace loving but in reality we had the biggest kid in the playground on call whenever trouble showed it's face.
It reminds me of a friend I used to know who told everyone he didn't wear a watch because he didn't need one. He spent all day asking everyone else what the time was. So he did need a watch, it just wasn't on his wrist.
So when you have a country like Russia invading neighbours and threatening others with their weapons and you don't have any, what is your solution?
Just to reiterate, I don't like the fact that weapons are necessary but I will take the lesser of two evils because in one of them, I might not exist anymore.
This is a .ml user, chances are they are pro russia.
I too don't like weapons and war, but every time I see someone arguing that weapons aren't necessary if you aren't aggressive, I think of Lindesfarne .
If all you have to offer is “weapons are bad,war is bad”, you need to think about the consequences of not re-arming.
Ok, what are the consequences?
The world has relied on America to be the one that is heavily armed so that we can all sit here in Europe and pretend that we don’t need weapons and war is bad.
That's obviously untrue. The Europeans were involved in a lot of the USA's wars: Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
We got to feel morally superior and peace loving but in reality we had the biggest kid in the playground on call whenever trouble showed it’s face.
Also untrue. Nobody serious thinks Europeans are "morally superior and peace loving". What times are you talking about when you say "whenever trouble showed it’s face"?
It reminds me of a friend I used to know who told everyone he didn’t wear a watch because he didn’t need one. He spent all day asking everyone else what the time was. So he did need a watch, it just wasn’t on his wrist.
When has Europe done this?
So when you have a country like Russia invading neighbours and threatening others with their weapons and you don’t have any, what is your solution?
Why are you bringing Russia into it? The von der Leyens and Macrons and Starmers are arming up countries 1000km+ from Russia.
Just to reiterate, I don’t like the fact that weapons are necessary but I will take the lesser of two evils because in one of them, I might not exist anymore.
What's the greater of two evils? Your case is based on saying it's better than "the alternative", but you haven't made your case because you haven't said what "the alternative" is. The purpose of weapons is to make people not exist anymore, so obviously the more armed Europe is, the more Europeans get killed; you'd have to have a very short memory not to know this.
Why? Everyone else is doing it, and as they say, si vis pacem para bellum.
Thanks for quoting one of the most brutal and violent empires known for oppression and slavery on how to achieve peace.
fuit pax quae nationes europae arma ferebant antea?
It's gonna be great with all countries having right wing parties in either the 2nd or 3rd position all ready to use this when they get to number 1.